quidam
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Post by quidam on Mar 22, 2015 12:47:50 GMT 1
And what makes you think that EY has problems? If it's financing planes through external capital than Emirates must be in REALLY big trouble PS. Sorry, while replying I didn't notice last page
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Mar 22, 2015 16:09:16 GMT 1
I think I remember Tim Clark predicted only EK and QR would survive in the long term. I have no link, though ... It seems EK is much closer in ties with QR than EY. Probably because EY is a more direct competitor being in the UAE. One thing you note is that the 3 gulf carriers have distinct strategies. EK's involves a go-it-alone kind of strategy, involving the largest aircraft types with sheer numbers of seats. EY's involves a range of different types of aircraft but more distinctly, they seem to be buying partner airlines around the world to gain synergies and direct access to markets. QR's is sort of "in-between". They have mostly mid-sized aircraft, and with their one world membership, they have some partnership benefits. If in the future the ME3 "bubble" happens to break, IMO out of the 3, EK is probably the strongest and the least likely to fail going forward. Between QR and EY, it's difficult to say who will be better, although I think EY's strategy is better at countering potential protectionist measures by countries in the future. (Mods, if this discussion has gone too far off topic, consider moving such discussions to a separate thread)
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Post by mjoelnir on Mar 22, 2015 17:16:46 GMT 1
Emirates is leasing most of its planes why not Etihad? Why should it be strange?
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Post by s543 on Mar 22, 2015 17:24:09 GMT 1
I do believe that the winner is the one offering best value to the customers and vice-versa the looser is......
Here I think that EK simply is above all - since for instance from many EU cities they have at least one/daily flight to DXB and there you can go further. Both QR and EY go only to the major hubs so if you want to use them you have one more change and if the price is the same - obviously what is the selection ? And of course there is long way to reach this state. Than how many people goes every day from those "secondary" cities to the south-east, EK serves completely but none of QR and EY does - speaking about 1-2 mil. people cities.... EK fill up one or two 773s and that is about what there is - so there is hardly space for second player.
QR tries to compete but the truth is that to city EK goes with 773 QR goes with A320 ! And again I am not speaking about FRA, LHR, CDG, AMS, MUC - I am speaking about the rest of EU.
If you can go for instance from my own PRG to any far east destiantion PRG-DXB-? why would you go PRG-?-DOH-? or with EU airline PRG-?-? for few hundreds EUR more ? If you would go to far away-to Australia-you would be sitting down in DXB anyway.
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Post by someone on Mar 22, 2015 19:46:48 GMT 1
QR tries to compete but the truth is that to city EK goes with 773 QR goes with A320 ! And again I am not speaking about FRA, LHR, CDG, AMS, MUC - I am speaking about the rest of EU. Usually, where EK sends a 777 in Europe, QR either sends a 787 or 330. Yes, no doubt EK is by far the biggest, but you make it sound like both QR and EY are two insignificant small carriers
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Post by someone on Mar 22, 2015 19:53:33 GMT 1
I was provoked by 9vswv's comment.... That "Aboulafian" type of post was probably best to ignore
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s543
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Post by s543 on Mar 22, 2015 21:36:44 GMT 1
Usually, where EK sends a 777 in Europe, QR either sends a 787 or 330. Yes, no doubt EK is by far the biggest, but you make it sound like both QR and EY are two insignificant small carriers It is true in some places - mostly UK - but looking around middle EU it is most definitively not true. Specifically EY is almost nonexistent in this territory. But in this topic I do believe we agree to agree - it is just explanation. xxx - EK x QR x EY BUD - 773 x A320 x NIL WAV - 332 x NIL x NIL PRG - 773 x NIL x NIL ARN - 773 X NIL x NIL TXL - NIL x A332 x A332 (exception) VIE - 2x773 x 788 x NIL HEL - NIL x NIL x NIL (surprise) and we can continue.... QR+EY - they are not small carriers - they are big airlines no doubt about it. They have right now 234 x 151 x 109 planes but looking at the types the seat capacity ratio is going to be more in favor of EK. The structure of QR and EY fleets is similar - the seat capacity is going to be similar to number of planes. But one A380 is more than 2xA332 or more than 3xA321 so.... The seat capacity would be something like 7 x 3 x 2 (just guess - we could probably calculate it if needed) And they do fill up those seats There is fourth player in this game - TK - but they are not in the gulf, they operate in huge country.... so the scenario is similar but very different. I do believe that amount of passengers going to/from Turkey is much bigger then similarly the Gulf carriers.
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Post by addasih on Mar 22, 2015 21:53:36 GMT 1
Moved here
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Mar 22, 2015 23:18:57 GMT 1
I do believe that the winner is the one offering best value to the customers and vice-versa the looser is...... ... QR tries to compete but the truth is that to city EK goes with 773 QR goes with A320 ! And again I am not speaking about FRA, LHR, CDG, AMS, MUC - I am speaking about the rest of EU. I think these two points are somewhat related. A flyer will find it a favourable experience when you have a consistent product, especially in premium, from the starting point all the way to the end destination. Having fewer aircraft types in your fleet could help with this. But premium products in a narrowbody is least consistent with widebodies. addasih, I think this thread is better put in the "Aviation Others" folder. There are some similar discussions in there.
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Post by addasih on Mar 23, 2015 3:00:53 GMT 1
Done
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