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Post by philidor on Nov 27, 2018 0:33:19 GMT 1
They may or may not take delivery of MSN290, so the worst case scenario would be (considering parts have been spotted): it's too late to cancel the frame, so AIB will build it, EY won't take it and its gonna end up as a white tail Unless Airbus agrees to the cancellation, refusing the aircraft would cost EY as much as taking it, and they would have nothing for their money. So, I don't believe in your scenario, which would be possible with a bankrupt airline (like Skymark), not with EY (Sri Lankan was a different case, with a new government accusing its predecessor of corruption). What might happen, however, is some delivery delay, while negociations are going on.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Nov 27, 2018 6:28:29 GMT 1
They may or may not take delivery of MSN290, so the worst case scenario would be (considering parts have been spotted): it's too late to cancel the frame, so AIB will build it, EY won't take it and its gonna end up as a white tail (like MSNs 52/55)... I'm pretty sure though they have something in mind, I don't think they want another frame sitting around in TLS for years. If Starlux's order firm up soon, they might be interested in taking the frame
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Post by addasih on Nov 28, 2018 13:32:28 GMT 1
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Post by sciing on Nov 28, 2018 15:23:29 GMT 1
What a waste of time to read the text in full length as the only information is this unspecific senstence.
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Post by philidor on Nov 29, 2018 1:03:57 GMT 1
Addasih, I think that a link to Macheras' text was already posted by gdumas on October 17th (see page 2 of this thread). You can see that the blog text is dated October 17th. We already discussed it, there is nothing new.
The only recent development is that parts for EY's first A350 were spotted arriving at the FAL.
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Post by sciing on Nov 29, 2018 10:35:40 GMT 1
If thought this is a discussion forum? I hope we do not end in a collection of "newsless" tweets by so called aviation experts looking for a little attention.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Dec 7, 2018 21:24:13 GMT 1
according this latest O&D, backlog hasn't changed
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Post by addasih on Dec 28, 2018 18:22:18 GMT 1
Nothing new but it seems January O/D will have the cancellation
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 28, 2019 6:58:24 GMT 1
a post from a.net
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Post by philidor on Jan 28, 2019 10:20:26 GMT 1
Thank you for the quote, Kevin, though we'll have to wait for a more reliable source than an unknown poster on the Internet. I would not be surprised if a harsh discussion was going on. If - admittedly a big if - EY actually wants to cancel its whole A350 order, then Airbus has no reason at all to make them any favour. - The order is several years old, which means Airbus has frozen the slots during all that time, possibly losing other orders for lack of satisfactory slots. - Several frames are already being built ; one of them has already been rolled out. - Airbus probably holds large deposits, and is likely entitled to even larger cancellation fees. - EY keeps taking delivery of 787s per its contract with Boeing, showing that cancellation is not forced. - Without its A350 order, EY would not be a major Airbus customer any more ; the A320s have been canceled, and EY would be left with only some A321s on order. Airbus would be in an excellent position in any arbitration process, and it probably demands full implementation of the contract cancellation clauses. I would expect the tab to be huge, and EY is a solvent business ! This is where the Skymark story may be beneficial to Airbus - they have shown that they are ready to use the legal weapon. A harsh discussion, however, does not mean that an agreement is impossible. They did find an agreement on narrowbodies. They may well come to another one on the A350. I would expect the discussion to be much softer if EY accepts to introduce a reduced but still significant number of A350s into its fleet. Quite possibly, the discussion is on the number.
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