philidor
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Post by philidor on Sept 12, 2019 14:50:29 GMT 1
Those 747-8 will still be young enough for profitable conversion to freighters. So few 748I (passenger version) have been built that it's unreasonable to expect a freighter conversion programme.
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Post by airboche on Sept 13, 2019 9:00:03 GMT 1
It will be just some tiny step from upgrading the 747-400 BCF plans to 747-8 BCF. And one day all 747-8 will be valuable for some cargo airlines. Just look at the second career of many formerly unwanted MD-11 for comparison.
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Sept 13, 2019 12:45:18 GMT 1
It will be just some tiny step from upgrading the 747-400 BCF plans to 747-8 BCF. And one day all 747-8 will be valuable for some cargo airlines. Just look at the second career of many formerly unwanted MD-11 for comparison. There are just 36 747-8i operated by airlines. That does not compare in numbers to 747-400, DC10 or MD-11 passenger frames. I would believe that we are not talking about a tiny step from a 747-400BCF to a 747-8iBCF, quite a bit of change from the 747-400 to the 747-8.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Nov 7, 2019 21:46:44 GMT 1
20 firm stays but the +14 becomes questionable
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Nov 8, 2019 13:17:06 GMT 1
20 firm stays but the +14 becomes questionable I thought it was always 20 firm and 14 options. I feel that the article has got it mixed up somewhere. Nothing has probably changed except for the information that the 14 options are more unlikely to be exercised given their current assessment of things.
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Nov 8, 2019 13:44:07 GMT 1
20 firm stays but the +14 becomes questionable I thought it was always 20 firm and 14 options. I feel that the article has got it mixed up somewhere. Nothing has probably changed except for the information that the 14 options are more unlikely to be exercised given their current assessment of things. The board gave at the time permission to order 34 frames. 20 were firm ordered plus 14 options. It can be that those options were "firmer" than usual options. Boeing booked only 20 orders. I assume the board has withdrawn the permission for the order of the later 14 frames and has to make a new decision if Lufthansa wants to take up the options.
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Nov 8, 2019 13:53:30 GMT 1
The board gave at the time permission to order 34 frames. 20 were firm ordered plus 14 options. It can be that those options were "firmer" than usual options. Boeing booked only 20 orders. I assume the board has withdrawn the permission for the order of the later 14 frames and has to make a new decision if Lufthansa wants to take up the options. That's one way to look it I guess. When I come to think of it now, it is possible that they originally did want 34 frames in total but didn't want to put down as much money in deposits at that time so took 14 as options.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Nov 9, 2019 17:17:49 GMT 1
The draft contract that was submitted to the board was for 34 firm orders. No information was provided about the board discussions, other than the fact that only 20 orders were firmed. I tend to think that the board decided to reduce the size of the firm order, at least temporarily. The 14 additional 'non firm-orders' continued to be mentioned in LH communication though their status was unclear. If they are now an option, it means that LH now has a clear timeline to firm the order or not.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Nov 9, 2019 20:07:34 GMT 1
Oh well, just have a bit different look at LH.
They do have problem, they are if I am correct now the most "striking" airline in the world.
Behavior of their fleet crews is HORRIBLE. It was telling comparison to step from Cathay A758 to LH388 - different worlds. But not the Hardware - that was not the issue - the issue were the stewardesses and overall attitude.
Other experience was just hop PRG-MUC. There is no comparison even to the crews of FR or EZ.
I know a few people who decided - OK that is enough - forget LH if there is other option.
So unless they do something with their personnel, they might forget large orders.....
Just "2c" from other view.....
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Post by kevin5345179 on Nov 12, 2019 8:29:52 GMT 1
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