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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 24, 2014 5:19:13 GMT 1
That's apparently 6 months.. a380.boards.net/post/6205/threadMSN162BC for example, announced start-building in June2013 and convoyed in December2013.. (edit)(I understand these 6 months would be for the Tail?... unknown for the fuselage then...)
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Post by s543 on Nov 24, 2014 12:28:34 GMT 1
I suppose we come back to 'when does a (long lead) item become frame specific'? I assume the shell is one of the easier bits to make and it's the internals which take the time. Assuming manufacturers don't want empty shells cluttering the place up, it would be the internals which arrive for a frame. If, for instance, the black box is the longest long-lead item, does it matter what frame it ends up in. Personally I'd think the fuselage is when a frame becomes 'frame-specific'. I remember the first BA frame becoming newsworthy during a fuselage first-cut ceremony. Any idea of a rough time from start of fuselage construction to convoy? Or part of the wing, or part of the tail........ It would be really interesting to know how long before convoy or FF or something we know the timing well, the FIRST EUR is spent on the new plane.
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Post by noistar on Nov 24, 2014 14:05:02 GMT 1
I suppose we come back to 'when does a (long lead) item become frame specific'? I assume the shell is one of the easier bits to make and it's the internals which take the time. Assuming manufacturers don't want empty shells cluttering the place up, it would be the internals which arrive for a frame. If, for instance, the black box is the longest long-lead item, does it matter what frame it ends up in. Personally I'd think the fuselage is when a frame becomes 'frame-specific'. I remember the first BA frame becoming newsworthy during a fuselage first-cut ceremony. Any idea of a rough time from start of fuselage construction to convoy? Or part of the wing, or part of the tail........ It would be really interesting to know how long before convoy or FF or something we know the timing well, the FIRST EUR is spent on the new plane. You're right, it's the 'hand in pocket' which must be the driver. When do items get a frame stamp - MSNxxx? Do you get a set of wheels, or a set of MSN162 wheels? Do they wait for a day looking for an MSN162 cockpit window, or just take 'a' cockpit window? I doubt we'll ever know, but an answer to s543's question would certainly help. However, as was pointed out, it's not so much who 'owns' it, more a case of 'not mine, so I don't want it'. Although an airline can't claim ownership until they've opened their wallet, it might still be deemed 'theirs'
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Post by peter on Nov 24, 2014 15:25:23 GMT 1
When do items get a frame stamp - MSNxxx? I believe most parts do, check out this winglet
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Post by s543 on Nov 24, 2014 15:26:26 GMT 1
.....I doubt we'll ever know, but an answer to s543's question would certainly help. However, as was pointed out, it's not so much who 'owns' it, more a case of 'not mine, so I don't want it'. Although an airline can't claim ownership until they've opened their wallet, it might still be deemed 'theirs' I do not believe the question who owns some part is too muddy. It owns the supplier of the mentioned part until the moment it is paid by Airbus (or supplier of further subassembly and paid for it) - than it owns Airbus for the whole time until it is delivered and then it owns in most cases some lessor. And I do think that AB can do with it what he wants to. Of course there is a question of customer decided options and state of the cabin...... There are most probably various rights to the design etc.
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Post by someone on Nov 24, 2014 20:08:51 GMT 1
When do items get a frame stamp - MSNxxx? I believe most parts do, check out this wingletI assume this has to do with the traceability of the different parts, not who it is intended for?
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Post by peter on Nov 25, 2014 1:18:49 GMT 1
I assume this has to do with the traceability of the different parts, not who it is intended for? That's why it's a frame stamp - MSNxxx, and not a customer stamp - ABCD Airlines
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Post by noistar on Nov 25, 2014 1:21:28 GMT 1
I was only thinking in terms of Airlines maybe feeling picky (as was suggested) about having 'someone else's ' parts. When does a part achieve frame, and thereby airline, ownership?
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Post by peter on Nov 25, 2014 1:30:33 GMT 1
I was only thinking in terms of Airlines maybe feeling picky (as was suggested) about having 'someone else's ' parts. When does a part achieve frame, and thereby airline, ownership? What I mean is every part is designated to a certain frame beforehand. It's not like "Oh there's a box full of winglets in the corner, just grab one and watch out for left or right....".
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Post by noistar on Nov 25, 2014 1:43:40 GMT 1
I was only thinking in terms of Airlines maybe feeling picky (as was suggested) about having 'someone else's ' parts. When does a part achieve frame, and thereby airline, ownership? What I mean is every part is designated to a certain frame beforehand. It's not like "Oh there's a box full of winglets in the corner, just grab one and watch out for left or right....". Thanks Peter Was the clarification this enthusiastic, but ignorant, poster, was after
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