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Post by addasih on Jan 6, 2014 18:19:45 GMT 1
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Post by gennadius01 on Jan 15, 2014 9:38:08 GMT 1
With the firming of the Transaero MoU at the end of 2013, does anyone know when the first frame will be delivered? I recall there being articles or interviews where they were expecting it in 2015, but I don't remember if that was firm or speculation. Also, with respect to them potentially adding and additional 4 747-8i frames, would it be associated with this article? Or do we know what UN was looking at with respect to expansion?
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Post by gennadius01 on Feb 28, 2014 21:53:18 GMT 1
Also, it looks like the article about Transaero looking to perhaps add more frames was correct. Nothing firm in terms of orders in this news snippet, but it does confirm that they are indeed discussing it with Boeing.
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Post by gennadius01 on Sept 1, 2014 9:42:07 GMT 1
Well, that settles it. Thanks for the update. Heh, it seems that 747classic was the original poster that posed the question. Tangentially, there are several articles, that are primarily Russian in source at the moment, that seem to point to UN deciding to cancel their terrible teen 787s and take 4 747-8is in their place. This is one of the original articles I believe. There are comments that make it seem, in translation at least, that this is in addition to their existing 4 on order. It is also inline with what they were discussing earlier this year, as reported here.
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Post by philidor on Sept 2, 2014 0:25:08 GMT 1
The story about Transaero 748s (from Russian economic paper "Kommersant"), linked to by gennadius01 in the above post, does not say, or even suggest, that the Russian airline is topping up its order. I read it as a confirmation of the existing order for four 748s (the contract they are talking about is said to date back to 2013).
I believe the speculation on A.net on a 4 + 4 order is based on a misunderstanding.
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Post by Baroque on Sept 2, 2014 1:30:03 GMT 1
I believe the speculation on A.net on a 4 + 4 order is based on a misunderstanding. I, too, am wondering if there's a misunderstanding and that it is old news. Transaero said they opted out of the 4 787s in December last year according to this bloomberg article. In that same month, they also firmed up their order for 4 747-8i, according to this a.net thread. Could that have been the swap?
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Post by airny on Sept 2, 2014 4:51:50 GMT 1
I'd say that seems logical.
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Post by gennadius01 on Sept 2, 2014 8:18:44 GMT 1
The story about Transaero 748s (from Russian economic paper "Kommersant"), linked to by gennadius01 in the above post, does not say, or even suggest, that the Russian airline is topping up its order. I read it as a confirmation of the existing order for four 748s (the contract they are talking about is said to date back to 2013). I believe the speculation on A.net on a 4 + 4 order is based on a misunderstanding. Yes, I was wondering about that as well, and it definitely is a possibility. However, and this is where my using the translation engines may come into play, it does say that while discussions have been going on since 2013, the decisions and quotes from Boeing representatives are all from this past week. Remember, the original UN order for 747-8s were from back in 2011 and the firming of those in 2013 had been hinted at by the CEO and other officials during that year. Additionally, there is the ch-aviation snippet that I linked to in that same post that states this: So...while I do think it is possible that they are talking retrospectively about having switched to the 747-8 last year, there is enough circumstantial evidence that makes an argument for this being a new order. For example, the fact that UN has been talking about seat layouts and selecting interiors for their 747-8s already, the fact that the 787s for UN are still on Boeing's O/D through July of 2014, meaning they were literally firmly cancelled just this past week or so, and also the confirmation that they were looking back in Feb. 2014 (after they had already firmed the known 4 747-8Is) to switch their 787-8 orders to something else, which included more 747-8s as a possibility. Much like many items that we enthusiasts dig up, we will simply have to wait for more information to present itself to get the real answer. :-D
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Post by gennadius01 on Sept 4, 2014 9:26:49 GMT 1
It seems like the straight conversion from the 787-8 orders to the 747-8 has been ruled out. An Airways News article (formerly Airchive I believe) states as much, even though the entire article seems to be worded in such a way that it doesn't rule out that Transaero may order additional 747-8 frames, even if it isn't directly tied to the 787-8s. This quote refutes the reports of a direct conversion, but goes on to simply state that UN would have to place new orders if they wanted more frames. This quote is very awkwardly worded, but it definitely leaves the door open for the 747-8 order to be increased in terms of Transaero's fleet planning. This would fit with the earlier February article, even if it is not necessarily happening at the same time the 787-8s are cancelled.
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Post by Baroque on Sept 4, 2014 13:36:41 GMT 1
When are UN getting their first 748? Could the 787 deposits be applied towards progress payments on the 748?
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