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Post by FabienA380 on Jul 15, 2013 20:11:14 GMT 1
I guess I was wrong, it seems that MSN128 is now in one of the FL hangars, probably for wing repairs...  Taxiing msn140 F-WWAD 15/7/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr This is the one bay on the left, MSN121 is assumed to be still on the one on the right (wing repairs). Then, MSN128 will be delivered in October with wings repaired, and MSN126 will be delivered in August without wings repaired. Hopefully taxi tests of MSN126 and MSN132 will start soon. Fabien  |
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Post by XWB on Jul 15, 2013 20:34:18 GMT 1
The wing tips are also removed, so definitely wing repair.
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 15, 2013 22:05:51 GMT 1
Then, MSN128 will be delivered in October with wings repaired, and MSN126 will be delivered in August without wings repaired. Fabien How do you know that the wings of MSN 126 have not or will not be fixed before delivery? There is no outward sign regarding wing fix. |
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Post by digitalairliners on Jul 17, 2013 17:55:51 GMT 1
MSN128 was towed into the hanger from the flight line on the 12th July, joining the BA A380 on the right hand side of the hanger.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jul 17, 2013 18:31:30 GMT 1
Then, MSN128 will be delivered in October with wings repaired, and MSN126 will be delivered in August without wings repaired. Fabien How do you know that the wings of MSN 126 have not or will not be fixed before delivery? There is no outward sign regarding wing fix. Indeed, well, MSN126 is so far the fastest KE frame going through FAL with just 11 weeks. Comparing to MSN115 and MSN127 that lately spent 8 weeks more than regular FAL times (for these operators, AF and KE), MSN126 has obviously not had its wings repaired after assembly. I know you believe in imagining that repair can be done DURING assembly but I do not believe this. Imagining things just leads to speculations and wrong ideas, I am basing my thought on FACTS. (French proverb says "with IFs we can put Paris in a bottle")  MSN115 and MSN127 did stay 8 weeks more inside bays, obviously for wing repairs (also as did MSN125 that spent around 8 weeks more than usual for TG frames). Also MSN126 did spend just an average (KE-)time of 6 weeks on the FL prior to FF, so MSN126 has NOT had its wings repaired at TLS. MSN126 did spend 18 weeks in OF, knowing that the fastest KE frames did spend just 14 weeks for OF (MSN096 and MSN128), knowing that the two longest frames for OF were MSN75 with 21 weeks and MSN035 with 19 weeks, an average of 16.5 weeks for all KE frames, and wing repairs should be done in minimum 7 weeks, MSN126 has obviously NOT been repaired staying inside side-bays after OF, as did MSN132 with overall 19 weeks before roll out, as regular times for OF for EK frames is 12 weeks. Again, "I do not believe in imagining things, that wing repair can be done during OF". Imagining things, IFs lead to speculations and imagining this leading imagining this etc... We had evidence that frames are wing-repaired AFTER OF (or after assembly), I agree it does not mean that all frames would follow the same scheme and that all bays are configured the same, though I am basing my ideas on FACTS. Some frames are spending more time inside bays for wing repairs, this is the fact that wing repair is not done DURING things, moreover Airbus has never said that repairs are being done during things. Just BTW then, to me MSN095 has NOT had its wings repaired before delivery. I guess if it had been the case, we would have read this in at least ONE of the 1000s of articles when MSN095 got delivered, and believe me I read all the ones I could find. As for MSN126, it has been outside on the FL at XFW since roll out on 08/06/2013, up to today that's about a good average of KE frames spending time between roll out and CFF (average of about 4.5 weeks), taxi tests might start soon, and as of today it will still have 6 weeks for test flights before delivery planned for August. NO time for wing repairs AND flight tests. I know some of us believe that it does not make sense to still deliver plane unrepaired, or does not make sense for the planes to stay a little longer to do the repairs and then take delivery of a 'clean' plane, well, we don't know but airlines may need the frames as soon as possible, to withdraw earlier planes needing repairs way badlier than newer delivered (unrepaired-)planes. Also, we have evidence that both bays FL hangars in TLS are occupied now (MSN128 MSN121), there is no space to repair any more at the moment at TLS. At Hamburg, it seems that MSN133 would be in one of those 2 extra bays, another frame might join MSN133 soon in the other bay for wing repairs as well, if not already occupied by another frame. Also, Airbus had never stated that delivery of 'unclean' planes has stopped. So to summarise, please let us stop believe things, let just base our ideas on FACT. Hence, MSN126 to be still delivered in August as planned, will NOT have its wings repaired before delivery. Fabien  |
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 18, 2013 18:31:20 GMT 1
How do you know that the wings of MSN 126 have not or will not be fixed before delivery? There is no outward sign regarding wing fix. Indeed, well, MSN126 is so far the fastest KE frame going through FAL with just 11 weeks. Comparing to MSN115 and MSN127 that lately spent 8 weeks more than regular FAL times (for these operators, AF and KE), MSN126 has obviously not had its wings repaired after assembly. I know you believe in imagining that repair can be done DURING assembly but I do not believe this. Imagining things just leads to speculations and wrong ideas, I am basing my thought on FACTS. (French proverb says "with IFs we can put Paris in a bottle") MSN115 and MSN127 did stay 8 weeks more inside bays, obviously for wing repairs (also as did MSN125 that spent around 8 weeks more than usual for TG frames). Also MSN126 did spend just an average (KE-)time of 6 weeks on the FL prior to FF, so MSN126 has NOT had its wings repaired at TLS. MSN126 did spend 18 weeks in OF, knowing that the fastest KE frames did spend just 14 weeks for OF (MSN096 and MSN128), knowing that the two longest frames for OF were MSN75 with 21 weeks and MSN035 with 19 weeks, an average of 16.5 weeks for all KE frames, and wing repairs should be done in minimum 7 weeks, MSN126 has obviously NOT been repaired staying inside side-bays after OF, as did MSN132 with overall 19 weeks before roll out, as regular times for OF for EK frames is 12 weeks. Again, "I do not believe in imagining things, that wing repair can be done during OF". Imagining things, IFs lead to speculations and imagining this leading imagining this etc... We had evidence that frames are wing-repaired AFTER OF (or after assembly), I agree it does not mean that all frames would follow the same scheme and that all bays are configured the same, though I am basing my ideas on FACTS. Some frames are spending more time inside bays for wing repairs, this is the fact that wing repair is not done DURING things, moreover Airbus has never said that repairs are being done during things. Just BTW then, to me MSN095 has NOT had its wings repaired before delivery. I guess if it had been the case, we would have read this in at least ONE of the 1000s of articles when MSN095 got delivered, and believe me I read all the ones I could find. As for MSN126, it has been outside on the FL at XFW since roll out on 08/06/2013, up to today that's about a good average of KE frames spending time between roll out and CFF (average of about 4.5 weeks), taxi tests might start soon, and as of today it will still have 6 weeks for test flights before delivery planned for August. NO time for wing repairs AND flight tests. I know some of us believe that it does not make sense to still deliver plane unrepaired, or does not make sense for the planes to stay a little longer to do the repairs and then take delivery of a 'clean' plane, well, we don't know but airlines may need the frames as soon as possible, to withdraw earlier planes needing repairs way badlier than newer delivered (unrepaired-)planes. Also, we have evidence that both bays FL hangars in TLS are occupied now (MSN128 MSN121), there is no space to repair any more at the moment at TLS. At Hamburg, it seems that MSN133 would be in one of those 2 extra bays, another frame might join MSN133 soon in the other bay for wing repairs as well, if not already occupied by another frame. Also, Airbus had never stated that delivery of 'unclean' planes has stopped. So to summarise, please let us stop believe things, let just base our ideas on FACT. Hence, MSN126 to be still delivered in August as planned, will NOT have its wings repaired before delivery. Fabien Dear Fabian, you are talking about facts and are very sure that this and that frame has not got the wing fix because there was no time. Why do I think that BA #1 MSN 095 got its wings fixed? Because BA ( I do not want to spent the time looking when and were) stated that they would not accept an A 380 without the wing fix. So there are two possibilities, a) BA excepted the MSN 095 without the wing fix or b)the MSN 095 had her wing fix before delivery. You believe in a) I believe in b). If they can have done MSN 095 than I believe they could have done some frames (not all) the same way. We also have Tim Clark talking about wing fix and how many frames Emirates would have to send for wing fix and that does not mesh with Emirates getting certain frames delivered without wing fix. Can wing fix be done concurrently to some other work? And if it is possible, why is it not done all the time? We do not know what are the limitations regarding the wing fix. 1. It can be supply of parts. The supply of parts limit how many frames can be fixed at the same time. 2. Availability of specialized fitters and engineers limit how many frames can get the wing fix at the same time. 3. Availability of specialized tools. I do not want to do a too long list here. But when single frames are going through wing fix in a certain way that does not have to mean no other way is possible, but that other scheduling conflicts decide when and in what way a A 380 is getting her wing fix. |
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Post by noistar on Sept 1, 2013 12:10:02 GMT 1
How do you know that the wings of MSN 126 have not or will not be fixed before delivery? There is no outward sign regarding wing fix. Indeed, well, MSN126 is so far the fastest KE frame going through FAL with just 11 weeks. Comparing to MSN115 and MSN127 that lately spent 8 weeks more than regular FAL times (for these operators, AF and KE), MSN126 has obviously not had its wings repaired after assembly. I know you believe in imagining that repair can be done DURING assembly but I do not believe this. Imagining things just leads to speculations and wrong ideas, I am basing my thought on FACTS. (French proverb says "with IFs we can put Paris in a bottle") MSN115 and MSN127 did stay 8 weeks more inside bays, obviously for wing repairs (also as did MSN125 that spent around 8 weeks more than usual for TG frames). Also MSN126 did spend just an average (KE-)time of 6 weeks on the FL prior to FF, so MSN126 has NOT had its wings repaired at TLS. MSN126 did spend 18 weeks in OF, knowing that the fastest KE frames did spend just 14 weeks for OF (MSN096 and MSN128), knowing that the two longest frames for OF were MSN75 with 21 weeks and MSN035 with 19 weeks, an average of 16.5 weeks for all KE frames, and wing repairs should be done in minimum 7 weeks, MSN126 has obviously NOT been repaired staying inside side-bays after OF, as did MSN132 with overall 19 weeks before roll out, as regular times for OF for EK frames is 12 weeks. Again, "I do not believe in imagining things, that wing repair can be done during OF". Imagining things, IFs lead to speculations and imagining this leading imagining this etc... We had evidence that frames are wing-repaired AFTER OF (or after assembly), I agree it does not mean that all frames would follow the same scheme and that all bays are configured the same, though I am basing my ideas on FACTS. Some frames are spending more time inside bays for wing repairs, this is the fact that wing repair is not done DURING things, moreover Airbus has never said that repairs are being done during things. Just BTW then, to me MSN095 has NOT had its wings repaired before delivery. I guess if it had been the case, we would have read this in at least ONE of the 1000s of articles when MSN095 got delivered, and believe me I read all the ones I could find. As for MSN126, it has been outside on the FL at XFW since roll out on 08/06/2013, up to today that's about a good average of KE frames spending time between roll out and CFF (average of about 4.5 weeks), taxi tests might start soon, and as of today it will still have 6 weeks for test flights before delivery planned for August. NO time for wing repairs AND flight tests. I know some of us believe that it does not make sense to still deliver plane unrepaired, or does not make sense for the planes to stay a little longer to do the repairs and then take delivery of a 'clean' plane, well, we don't know but airlines may need the frames as soon as possible, to withdraw earlier planes needing repairs way badlier than newer delivered (unrepaired-)planes. Also, we have evidence that both bays FL hangars in TLS are occupied now (MSN128 MSN121), there is no space to repair any more at the moment at TLS. At Hamburg, it seems that MSN133 would be in one of those 2 extra bays, another frame might join MSN133 soon in the other bay for wing repairs as well, if not already occupied by another frame. Also, Airbus had never stated that delivery of 'unclean' planes has stopped. So to summarise, please let us stop believe things, let just base our ideas on FACT. Hence, MSN126 to be still delivered in August as planned, will NOT have its wings repaired before delivery. Fabien Thanks Fabien I was trying to get my head round how MSN126 could have the wing fix before delivery I can now relax ......... |
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Post by FabienA380 on Sept 5, 2013 18:02:18 GMT 1
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Post by danteg on Sept 21, 2013 7:11:17 GMT 1
I seem to recall delivery in October was mentioned months ago, is that still likely? Is November more likely?
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Post by philidor on Sept 21, 2013 9:00:45 GMT 1
The caption mentions a change of station. Does this mean that there is more work to perform on MSN 128 ?
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