carl
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Post by carl on Dec 8, 2016 16:01:21 GMT 1
I have a question that I have been struggling with for a while and that maybe someone on this board can answer :
We all know that Airbus has the tradition to have a miraculous month of december.
This year part of this is understandable with the scaling of A350 and A320neo production.
But it has been a tradition for a very long time that airbus delivers a lot of aircraft in the last quarter
and very few in the first quarter of the calendar year.
So here are my questions :
- Is there an industrial reason at airbus why this is the case?
- Is it only because they want to achieve their year production target?
And if so, why do airline customers put up with this behaviour?
- do they want/need the aircraft dearly and they just accept this behaviour by Airbus
- do they also have an incentive to accept the aircraft before dec 31 so they can start amortizing the new plan in the last days of the fiscal year?
- are there other reasons why airlines accept this? Does Airbus pay incentives?
And if there are good reasons for all this, why don't we see this at Boeing?
Thanks everyone for all your valuable input!
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Dec 8, 2016 16:02:42 GMT 1
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 8, 2016 18:31:46 GMT 1
I don't share the analysis in that article from a consistently anti-European newspaper. The situation is ludicrously characterised by the writer as procrastination by Airbus, when the manufacturer, facing supply chain and other problems, has actually been struggling to ramp up production of new aircraft types, which is hardly mentioned.
I don't know why so many more planes are delivered in December, but I guess there may more than one reason. For instance, I believe production bonuses at Airbus are linked to yearly targets, while Boeing seems to use quaterly results. Other reasons might be how Airbus' contracts are written, and how penalties for delivery delays are triggered.
As for airlines, they like deliveries happening as planned, but they often have reasons of their own (QR, Srilankan ...) to delay some of them, thus contributing to jeopardise schedules.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Dec 9, 2016 18:34:45 GMT 1
They are flying out at great speed now, big push on deliveries of all types is now on  |
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sciing
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Post by sciing on Dec 22, 2016 23:19:26 GMT 1
Deliveries are still going strong, but it would take a record last month of the year (93 deliveries !) to meet Airbus' 2016 guidance (670). I try to summarize deliveries by today: 46xA320 11xA330 8xA350 4xA380 Sum 69Potential 2xA330 (MSN1763+1765 already at DC) 7xA350 (MSN 52, 55, 79, 67 CAF done, 73 at DC, 77+81 on FL expected to move to DC soon) 3xA380 (MSN 225, 226, 227) So just another 12 A320 needed to reach the target. |
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Post by shpeex on Dec 23, 2016 9:13:41 GMT 1
Deliveries are still going strong, but it would take a record last month of the year (93 deliveries !) to meet Airbus' 2016 guidance (670). I try to summarize deliveries by today: 46xA320 11xA330 8xA350 4xA380 Sum 69Potential 2xA330 (MSN1763+1765 already at DC) 7xA350 (MSN 52, 55, 79, 67 CAF done, 73 at DC, 77+81 on FL expected to move to DC soon) 3xA380 (MSN 225, 226, 227) So just another 12 A320 needed to reach the target. 5 A320 (7386, 7434, 7437, 7461, 7467) deliveries only for today, so it will be easy to compensate lack of other. |
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sciing
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Post by sciing on Dec 29, 2016 22:11:45 GMT 1
Update deliveries by today:
62xA320
13xA330
9xA350
7xA380
Sum 91
Potential
16xA320 (all with at least a 2nd test flight or 3rd after being back in TLS)
6xA350 (MSN 52, 55 SriLankan ntu and MSN 79, 73, 77, 81 at DC all seen with final Reg.)
So AB will achieve the target even w/o the "only contractual" deliveries.
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cck
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Post by cck on Dec 30, 2016 13:54:46 GMT 1
AirAsia A320neo (7417) & Lufthansa A320neo (7103) delivered. Target hit!
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sciing
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Post by sciing on Dec 30, 2016 22:38:33 GMT 1
AirAsia A320neo (7417) & Lufthansa A320neo (7103) delivered. Target hit! I just count the one with delivery flights. And here is #100 for december Flight JJ9955 from Hamburg fr24.com/TAM9955/c091427 |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 31, 2016 6:50:19 GMT 1
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