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Post by peter on Apr 14, 2017 21:49:59 GMT 1
If not painted then didn't roll out according to forum definition of roll out. That definition will have to change. E.g. msn107 had it's first flight before it was painted. And you can't have a first flight before there is a roll out....
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 15, 2017 0:34:15 GMT 1
I think we can indeed have a roll out while not painted....
One of the A380EK did its CFF without being painted, we had considered it rolled out....
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Post by philidor on Apr 15, 2017 16:44:16 GMT 1
One of the A380EK did its CFF without being painted, we had considered it rolled out.... There are frames that do not follow the usual process. We don't have to change definitions for them.
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Post by peter on Apr 15, 2017 17:29:02 GMT 1
There are frames that do not follow the usual process. We don't have to change definitions for them. So, an unpainted A350 flying to XFW is not rolled out, but an A380 is.
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Post by sciing on Apr 15, 2017 19:29:41 GMT 1
What is the definition?
Def. 1: A roll out to the flight line to do flight test is not a roll out, if the frame is not painted! vs. Def. 2: A roll out is a roll out!
I like the 2nd version, the 1st one is to complex and I missed the idea why it should make any sense.
BTW: What is with frames like MSN 22 and 23? Painted but moved back for addional work.
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Post by philidor on Apr 15, 2017 23:02:20 GMT 1
So, an unpainted A350 flying to XFW is not rolled out, but an A380 is. You are just pretending not to know the difference between a A380 roll-out in TLS (which has no equivalent in A350 production) and a A380 roll-out in XFW (which is the same as a A350 roll-out).
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Post by sciing on Apr 16, 2017 7:37:45 GMT 1
I thought we want to follow the internal Airbus flow. As far as we know there is a special procedure when a frame is roll out to the flightline. So do we have any hint that this is not the case when the frame is not painted? I still ask for the idea/sense to exclude unpainted frames. Definitions are God given. You are free to do, but if you do it should make sense and free from paradox.
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Post by philidor on Apr 17, 2017 1:52:34 GMT 1
Actually, in A350 production, frames can be seen at different stages of completion (for instance, at station 20), before being moved to the next station.
Painting can be done at different stages, provided a paintshop is available. There is more than one sequence, all of them leading to completion, or 'roll-out'. Using the phrase 'roll-out' at any earlier stage would in my opinion be a source of confusion. We do use it differently for A380 production, only because being built in two steps in two different Airbus plants, A380s are rolled out twice.
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Post by backstroke on Apr 26, 2017 12:46:02 GMT 1
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Post by a380admirer on Apr 26, 2017 14:21:49 GMT 1
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