philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 21, 2017 1:53:04 GMT 1
Both deliveries seem possible, if everything works perfectly (Airbus has done such pushes before), but it would be an extremely tight schedule.
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Post by ff on Dec 21, 2017 6:37:32 GMT 1
Both deliveries seem possible, if everything works perfectly (Airbus has done such pushes before), but it would be an extremely tight schedule. 11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 21, 2017 14:11:49 GMT 1
11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. What matters is the date of first flight, and the time between first flight and first CAF. If everything is right, then one CAF is enough to transfer aircraft property.
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Post by ff on Dec 21, 2017 19:27:24 GMT 1
11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. What matters is the date of first flight, and the time between first flight and first CAF. If everything is right, then one CAF is enough to transfer aircraft property. I don't think physically there is enough time/hours for Airbus and the airlines to check everything and accept a frame within that kind of short time, especially Christmas is right in the middle of it, and I don't believe Lufthansa will just take Airbus' word for it. Another point is, 80 is the target for Airbus, and looks like they are getting there. Unless they knew some of the frames at the flight line are not going to be delivered on time for various reason, there is no need to push MSN174 & 179.
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on Dec 21, 2017 19:57:32 GMT 1
Good chance they won’t make 80 for the year but nobody is going to worry much if it 78 or 79.
Geoff
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Post by peter on Dec 21, 2017 20:00:24 GMT 1
11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. For accuracy: Yes, they have (even less) but not on A350.
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Post by addasih on Dec 21, 2017 20:30:18 GMT 1
Moved discussion about deliveries here
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Post by ff on Dec 21, 2017 20:40:55 GMT 1
11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. For accuracy: Yes, they have (even less) but not on A350. What accuracy? We are only talking about A359 here under A350 delivery, nothing else.
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Post by ff on Dec 21, 2017 20:49:11 GMT 1
Good chance they won’t make 80 for the year but nobody is going to worry much if it 78 or 79. Geoff I agree. But it's not good when reporting to the shareholders, especially if second consecutive year not meeting delivery target for A350. It does look like a bit difficult now, with lease companies not taking the frames (I commented this before but been told by someone they have to take their deliveries when frames are ready), plus not getting Chinese certification. Anyone familiar with Chinese finance system would know, even if the certification been granted in December, Chinese auditing system would make December delivery very very difficult. Most of the companies freeze their account around 15th December, making it impossible for large amount overseas payments.
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Post by ca350 on Dec 21, 2017 22:39:11 GMT 1
I don't think under any circumstances Airbus publicly annouced their target this year for A350 deliveries is 80. But I would appreciate if anyone can find a link for me.
Back to MSN 174 and MSN 179, think about it, why would Airbus push the frames late December only to make the deliveries a week into January. The fact that Airbus never having done 10-day A350 delivery before doesn't mean it's not going to happen in the future. As in December we have seen the first frame only having done one test flight before being moved to DC in MSN 176. Anything is possible.
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