shpeex
spotted unpainted on the Flight Line (waiting for painting)
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Post by shpeex on Dec 22, 2017 8:26:09 GMT 1
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Post by stealthmanbob on Dec 22, 2017 11:01:41 GMT 1
Good chance they won’t make 80 for the year but nobody is going to worry much if it 78 or 79. Geoff Especially me
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shpeex
spotted unpainted on the Flight Line (waiting for painting)
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Post by shpeex on Dec 22, 2017 13:29:42 GMT 1
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XWB
in service - 11 years
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Post by XWB on Dec 22, 2017 14:09:46 GMT 1
I don't think physically there is enough time/hours for Airbus and the airlines to check everything and accept a frame within that kind of short time, especially Christmas is right in the middle of it, and I don't believe Lufthansa will just take Airbus' word for it. It's worth noting that the delivery teams work through the holidays. 11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. What matters is the date of first flight, and the time between first flight and first CAF. If everything is right, then one CAF is enough to transfer aircraft property. 11 days between first flight and delivery? They've never done that before. Both deliveries are almost impossible. For accuracy: Yes, they have (even less) but not on A350. Seeing that Lucky Air A330 going from first flight to CAF in just 3 days, eventually the A350 should reach similar levels thus there is still room for improvement. Just because they've never done that before, doesn't mean they cannot do that in the future.
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Dec 27, 2017 13:46:05 GMT 1
It does look like a bit difficult now, with lease companies not taking the frames ( I commented this before but been told by someone they have to take their deliveries when frames are ready), plus not getting Chinese certification. Anyone familiar with Chinese finance system would know, even if the certification been granted in December, Chinese auditing system would make December delivery very very difficult. Most of the companies freeze their account around 15th December, making it impossible for large amount overseas payments. It's obvious that aircraft on direct order at Airbus, like Air China MSN 167 and 178, are not going to get delivered until CAAC certification is obtained. Probably not before February next year. But there is nothing that stops aircraft deliveries to lessors. MSN 60/98/112 are on order at AerCap, and do not depend on CAAC certification and/or Chinese finance systems. That is exactly why MSN 52/55 have been delivered in December 2016, even when the lessor had no customer. It's business between Airbus and the lessor. there is no need to push MSN174 & 179. I agree. That said, it's interesting that Airbus spills some December resources on aircraft that are not going to get delivered until January at the earliest.
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XWB
in service - 11 years
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Post by XWB on Dec 28, 2017 12:50:44 GMT 1
I agree. But it's not good when reporting to the shareholders, especially if second consecutive year not meeting delivery target for A350. I didn't get the impression that shareholders got nervous when Airbus missed its previous A350 delivery target. It's also worth noting that Airbus didn't announce its 2017 delivery target to the public. All we have is this Reuters article based on "sources". Internally, they to have targets though, but we can only assume it was 80 aircraft. Overall, Airbus will meet its delivery target of 700 aircraft.
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ghorn
Outfitting in Hamburg
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Post by ghorn on Jan 15, 2018 12:44:29 GMT 1
78 was the official figure for 2017 with MSN 132 for QR included.
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