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Post by addasih on Dec 6, 2018 0:57:17 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Dec 12, 2018 0:34:04 GMT 1
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Post by marlibu on Dec 12, 2018 1:01:00 GMT 1
Lion Air are seething from the implication. Either way they will pay something, might as well pay for the new jets...
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 12, 2018 1:03:50 GMT 1
Lion's tough stand is mainly intended for communication : they want to show that they are sure that Boeing bears full responsibility for the recent crash. Reality, however, may be less clear-cut.
I stick to my judgment that Lion has no legal ground for an immediate contract cancellation. A suspension of contract execution (leading to deferred deliveries) would be a much wiser move.
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Post by marlibu on Dec 12, 2018 23:10:33 GMT 1
I agree with your assessment Philidor.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Dec 21, 2018 6:44:59 GMT 1
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 21, 2018 9:30:55 GMT 1
They want to express their feeling of betrayal, but contracts are contracts ! So far, they have been are talking, not acting ...
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Post by Baroque on Dec 21, 2018 15:48:15 GMT 1
They want to express their feeling of betrayal, but contracts are contracts ! So far, they have been are talking, not acting ... Contracts are contracts, but there are arguments for a way out of it if it is found that the manufacturer has failed to adequately disclose to its customer critical information required the safe operation of the aircraft. And the logic behind a single faulty sensor input causing such an erratic behaviour by the aircraft is a serious deficiency in quality. Any fix to this by Boeing will surely come as an admission of this. But yes, so far they've been just talking, and the owner seems to be taking this very personal in his public outbursts.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Dec 21, 2018 16:52:19 GMT 1
They want to express their feeling of betrayal, but contracts are contracts ! So far, they have been are talking, not acting ... Contracts are contracts, but there are arguments for a way out of it if it is found that the manufacturer has failed to adequately disclose to its customer critical information required the safe operation of the aircraft. And the logic behind a single faulty sensor input causing such an erratic behaviour by the aircraft is a serious deficiency in quality. Any fix to this by Boeing will surely come as an admission of this. But yes, so far they've been just talking, and the owner seems to be taking this very personal in his public outbursts. It might take a bit more discount from Boeing to keep hold of this order, the owner seems a very proud man and is very hurt that Boeing tried to throw him and his airline under the bus 🚌!
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 21, 2018 17:11:35 GMT 1
I think the problem is a cultural one. Western Boeing, never admit to any fault and even if you pay compensation that includes no admission of fault. Asian big mea culpa to your customer with the slightest fault and never embarrass your customer.
I would agree that if Boeing did not mention and explain MCAS and did not include it in the recommended difference training program, Lion Air could have a case.
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