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Post by a380fanclub on Jun 23, 2017 16:56:37 GMT 1
At Paris Air Show I asked John Leahy at the end of show if reports are correct that the wingtips aren't available as retrofit. He confirmed, adding they won't be done unless the A380 gets new orders.
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Post by philidor on Jun 24, 2017 1:15:00 GMT 1
Leahy's answer above is not going to stop this question being asked again and again.
Actually, the question is not only whether the winglets are available (they obviously are not since Airbus says so), it is also whether they might be made available later. In other words, of course Airbus must first find a customer ordering the A380plus, but if this happens, then could they take a second look, or are there reasons why they couldn't ?
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 24, 2017 3:23:20 GMT 1
Question is also, in how long would the A380plus be available..... within 1 or 2 years since real launch?....
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Post by s543 on Jun 24, 2017 9:07:14 GMT 1
Question is also, in how long would the A380plus be available..... within 1 or 2 years since real launch?.... I do believe it could be relatively fast - since as it looks like the changes are small - more sort of like a HOV.
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Post by philidor on Jun 24, 2017 10:42:07 GMT 1
If it was so fast, the new variant would be very attractive to EK since all existing orders could be changed for A380plus. The A380 has a long lead time, and I fear Airbus cannot deliver the new variant before 2020/21. EK may want to wait for it.
The more attractive the 'new' variant, the less likely EK is to take 'old' variants ... It must be a difficult bargain, especially if Airbus cannot offer a retrofit.
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Post by s543 on Jun 24, 2017 13:49:50 GMT 1
If it was so fast, the new variant would be very attractive to EK since all existing orders could be changed for A380plus. The A380 has a long lead time, and I fear Airbus cannot deliver the new variant before 2020/21. EK may want to wait for it. The more attractive the 'new' variant, the less likely EK is to take 'old' variants ... It must be a difficult bargain, especially if Airbus cannot offer a retrofit. I do believe it is more complicated - can not offer .... or will not offer .... how much would the retrofit be ? what would be the customers willing to spent on the retrofit .... when will the investment come back .... and we can continue with similar questions. Is the retrofit worth the effort to AB .... So I do believe it is not technical issue - just business bartering. They were offering basically new stairs, winglets, new software and some changes in the cockpit - this would be easy and fast. The longer body, changes to the wing of course would not be that easy ! Still if both parties agree to agree not to disagree I am sure it could be delivered by the end of 2019. But still remains seeing other customers - or some agreement with EK.
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Post by mjoelnir on Jun 24, 2017 17:33:35 GMT 1
If it was so fast, the new variant would be very attractive to EK since all existing orders could be changed for A380plus. The A380 has a long lead time, and I fear Airbus cannot deliver the new variant before 2020/21. EK may want to wait for it. The more attractive the 'new' variant, the less likely EK is to take 'old' variants ... It must be a difficult bargain, especially if Airbus cannot offer a retrofit. I do believe it is more complicated - can not offer .... or will not offer .... how much would the retrofit be ? what would be the customers willing to spent on the retrofit .... when will the investment come back .... and we can continue with similar questions. Is the retrofit worth the effort to AB .... So I do believe it is not technical issue - just business bartering. They were offering basically new stairs, winglets, new software and some changes in the cockpit - this would be easy and fast. The longer body, changes to the wing of course would not be that easy ! Still if both parties agree to agree not to disagree I am sure it could be delivered by the end of 2019. But still remains seeing other customers - or some agreement with EK. I imagine the winglets could be retrofitable. Even the changed body fairings could perhaps be. But there are also changes of the wing included in the aerodynamic packet that would be impossible to retrofit. The whole packet is supposed to bring 4% fuel burn reduction.
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Post by s543 on Jun 25, 2017 8:29:22 GMT 1
Retrofitable on the planes already flying and retrofitable on the planes in some stage of production - two levels discussed....
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Post by philidor on Jun 25, 2017 9:41:18 GMT 1
Retrofitable on the planes already flying and retrofitable on the planes in some stage of production - two levels discussed.... If A380plus improvements could be offered on EK's remaining orders (on frames not in production yet), that would increase the chances of a new order.
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Post by backstroke on Jun 25, 2017 20:15:48 GMT 1
Retrofitable on the planes already flying and retrofitable on the planes in some stage of production - two levels discussed.... If A380plus improvements could be offered on EK's remaining orders (on frames not in production yet), that would increase the chances of a new order. I think that's the point, what has to happen first, the retrofit for the remaining orders and then a new order, or first a new order so the retrofit for the remaining ones will be available
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