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Post by philidor on Oct 2, 2019 15:52:56 GMT 1
The above would be the area, that I suspect could be responsible for delays in ACF fuselage production, as this automated A320 structure assembly line was supposed to be running quite a bit earlier, AFAIK last year already. I agree with you, the problems Airbus met when trying to put this new tool into service may well be the main cause ot the delays. Let's hope that the inauguration means that Airbus has left these problems behind. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Oct 2, 2019 16:09:10 GMT 1
The above would be the area, that I suspect could be responsible for delays in ACF fuselage production, as this automated A320 structure assembly line was supposed to be running quite a bit earlier, AFAIK last year already. I agree with you, the problems Airbus met when trying to put this new tool into service may well be the main cause ot the delays. Let's hope that the inauguration means that Airbus has left these problems behind. I still think "a lot" but not all of the problems with the ACF has to be interior parts / works, they keep rolling them out with engines and painted, then tape them up and park them for 6 - 10 weeks before finishing them off ? |
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Post by sciing on Oct 2, 2019 16:20:04 GMT 1
I agree with you, the problems Airbus met when trying to put this new tool into service may well be the main cause ot the delays. Let's hope that the inauguration means that Airbus has left these problems behind. I still think "a lot" but not all of the problems with the ACF has to be interior parts / works, they keep rolling them out with engines and painted, then tape them up and park them for 6 - 10 weeks before finishing them off ? I wonder why you claim there is a special ACF issue. Non ACFs do the same thing, even CEOs. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Oct 2, 2019 16:43:03 GMT 1
I still think "a lot" but not all of the problems with the ACF has to be interior parts / works, they keep rolling them out with engines and painted, then tape them up and park them for 6 - 10 weeks before finishing them off ? I wonder why you claim there is a special ACF issue. Non ACFs do the same thing, even CEOs. Sorry remove ACF from my post and insert A321s ! |
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Post by philidor on Oct 2, 2019 17:50:41 GMT 1
I wonder why you claim there is a special ACF issue. Non ACFs do the same thing, even CEOs. Sorry remove ACF from my post and insert A321s ! Well, I disagree. Airbus has stated in some releases, and Airbus representatives (among which Tom Williams) have explained in interviews, that moving from the traditional A321 fuselage to the ACF fuselage has added a lot of complexity that has translated into delivery delays. That piece of information also came up in some investor updates. I think that the wiring was one aspect of the problem, but I'm not quite sure. Stealthmanbob, you noticed that cabin equipments seemed to be part of the problem, and they are indeed. Airbus explained that increased cabin customisation was one of the sources of additional complexity, and pointed out to the large number of heads of version that had to be produced. I think we discussed it, but I don't remember in which thread. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Oct 2, 2019 18:17:23 GMT 1
Sorry remove ACF from my post and insert A321s ! Well, I disagree. Airbus has stated in some releases, and Airbus representatives (among which Tom Williams) have explained in interviews, that moving from the traditional A321 fuselage to the ACF fuselage has added a lot of complexity that has translated into delivery delays. That piece of information also came up in some investor updates. I think that the wiring was one aspect of the problem, but I'm not quite sure. Stealthmanbob, you noticed that cabin equipments seemed to be part of the problem, and they are indeed. Airbus explained that increased cabin customisation was one of the sources of additional complexity, and pointed out to the large number of heads of version that had to be produced. I think we discussed it, but I don't remember in which thread. Please reinsert ACF 😀 |
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Post by sciing on Oct 3, 2019 8:37:14 GMT 1
Sorry remove ACF from my post and insert A321s ! Well, I disagree. Airbus has stated in some releases, and Airbus representatives (among which Tom Williams) have explained in interviews, that moving from the traditional A321 fuselage to the ACF fuselage has added a lot of complexity that has translated into delivery delays. That piece of information also came up in some investor updates. I think that the wiring was one aspect of the problem, but I'm not quite sure. Stealthmanbob, you noticed that cabin equipments seemed to be part of the problem, and they are indeed. Airbus explained that increased cabin customisation was one of the sources of additional complexity, and pointed out to the large number of heads of version that had to be produced. I think we discussed it, but I don't remember in which thread. I do not disagree that Airbus stated it, but there were at the same time 6 non ACFs in DRS for structural rework. The reality check shows that there more general issue Airbus does not talk about. |
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Post by mtrunz on Oct 22, 2019 17:33:19 GMT 1
Have you guys have seen this cool webcam? Its basically right across the river from Airbus. Here you can see the Emirates A380 that just got back from a Test Flight and beluga #5 taxing on the runway. The Webcam is always changing directions but pretty much every minute goes to the same place - www.hafen-hamburg.de/en/webcam/teufelsbrueck |
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