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Post by kevin5345179 on Feb 2, 2018 19:47:49 GMT 1
I see the gain in Brazil's defense, but how would the JV get them access to 100 seaters market ? How the cheap labor force can come with JV ? We are talking about a "3rd" company here which has structure independent from Boeing and Embraer
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Post by kevin5345179 on Feb 2, 2018 19:49:05 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Feb 3, 2018 14:12:16 GMT 1
I see the gain in Brazil's defense, but how would the JV get them access to 100 seaters market ? How the cheap labor force can come with JV ? We are talking about a "3rd" company here which has structure independent from Boeing and Embraer A new company can own existing assets. In this case, the proposed joint venture would receive all Embraer's civil aviation assets, i.e. the e-jets and the factories producing them. Boeing would of course pay a large sum to acquire a stake in that company. If Boeing also secures by contract the management of the joint venture - as is likely proposed - then Boeing enters the < 100 seats market, and can sub-contract whatever production work they want to the new company. No need to recruit individual engineers, the work will go to Brazil.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Feb 25, 2018 19:55:56 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Feb 27, 2018 22:13:14 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Feb 28, 2018 10:58:15 GMT 1
This is a tough decision to make. What's best for Brazil ? Would a tie-up with Boeing increase Embraer's development prospects or would it stunt its ambitions ? Would Boeing have too much weight on Brazilian policies ?
Whatever they decide, there is a lot of risk.
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Post by Baroque on Feb 28, 2018 16:32:37 GMT 1
This is a tough decision to make. What's best for Brazil ? Would a tie-up with Boeing increase Embraer's development prospects or would it stunt its ambitions ? Would Boeing have too much weight on Brazilian policies ? Whatever they decide, there is a lot of risk. It's a mixed bag. I don't think it will lead to Embraer entering the 150-250 seat segment, and I think Boeing would suppress that given how they have no problems making money off that market on their own - why split that with someone else? From what I gather, this looks more like a limited scope joint venture where Boeing would be taking over the marketing, sales and support for the E-jets. Embraer would probably get to keep most of the E-jet programme and profits, but Boeing gets an off-the-shelf aircraft to represent this sub-150 seat market in its sales campaigns. There's little reason for Embraer (and the Brazilian government) to give up a majority stake in a programme that is already a market leader in that space. Boeing could give it a bit more direction and expertise in developing next generation aircraft in the sub-150 space, but how far they would involve themselves in it would depend on the success of the Airbus/CSeries tie up I guess.
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Post by philidor on Feb 28, 2018 18:09:11 GMT 1
Baroque, as Boeing already has conceded that the whole military business is left out of the deal, if it couldn't get full control of the Embraer line-up, then I don't think it would be interested in an investment. What's at stake for Boeing is twofold :
- in the short term, control of the e-jets, entry into the 100-seat market, and acquisition of new customers ; in the longer term, the implementation of a potential convergence between Embraer and Boeing piloting interfaces, helping transitions from smaller to larger jets.
- a fully-controlled low-cost production and design subsidiary.
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Post by s543 on Feb 28, 2018 18:23:15 GMT 1
- in the short term, control of the e-jets, entry into the 100-seat market, and acquisition of new customers ; in the longer term, the implementation of a potential convergence between Embraer and Boeing piloting interfaces, helping transitions from smaller to larger jets. Completely forget - BO is mainly and at first financial SHARK - they are not looking to give something - they are looking only for their own profit. They will not do such a thing. They would do something like that only if there is in near future sure gain. Just look at the history of all their past acquisitions !!! - a fully-controlled low-cost production and design subsidiary. Might be.....
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Post by philidor on Feb 28, 2018 19:28:11 GMT 1
Completely forget - BO is mainly and at first financial SHARK - they are not looking to give something - they are looking only for their own profit. They will not do such a thing. They would do something like that only if there is in near future sure gain. Just look at the history of all their past acquisitions !!! E-jets are an excellent range of products, including a fully developped modernised family. They have excellent sales prospects, which would bring a good return on Boeing's investment. That's so obvious I didn't think it was worth saying.
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