mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on May 31, 2018 10:40:22 GMT 1
There continues to be a lot of work done at TLS on frames that are delayed in their departure. One more QR -900 has departed. There is hope that CAAC certification is imminent but no firm news. At the beginning of 2018 there were 23 completed frames that had been delayed leaving TLS , including 2 owned by AerCap. QR has taken delivery of 5 delayed frames including one -1000. A further 6 frames are now delayed or will be delayed, up to and including MSN 215. This makes the total now 24. MSN 217 for CA has flown and could be the first mainland China frame to leave TLS. Details ; -1000s total 10 QR 102,110,125,141,161,215 CX. 118,169,188,206 QR -900s total 7 114,126,163,172,207,211,214 Mainland China total 7 52,55,60,98,112,167,178 Getting these 24 frames delivered would be a big boost for Airbus. Geoff I would not count the A350-1000 frames as delayed. They are processed to a different speed than the A350-900. There was and is rework done on the A350-1000 frames, as it was also necessary on the early A350-900 frames. So we have 14 delayed frames. The Qatar A350-900 are working up and getting delivered. MSN114 had 3 flights, MSN126 is awaiting first flight and MSN163 and 172 are in cabin fit.
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on May 31, 2018 11:06:34 GMT 1
There continues to be a lot of work done at TLS on frames that are delayed in their departure. One more QR -900 has departed. There is hope that CAAC certification is imminent but no firm news. At the beginning of 2018 there were 23 completed frames that had been delayed leaving TLS , including 2 owned by AerCap. QR has taken delivery of 5 delayed frames including one -1000. A further 6 frames are now delayed or will be delayed, up to and including MSN 215. This makes the total now 24. MSN 217 for CA has flown and could be the first mainland China frame to leave TLS. Details ; -1000s total 10 QR 102,110,125,141,161,215 CX. 118,169,188,206 QR -900s total 7 114,126,163,172,207,211,214 Mainland China total 7 52,55,60,98,112,167,178 Getting these 24 frames delivered would be a big boost for Airbus. Geoff I would not count the A350-1000 frames as delayed. They are processed to a different speed than the A350-900. There was and is rework done on the A350-1000 frames, as it was also necessary on the early A350-900 frames. So we have 14 delayed frames. The Qatar A350-900 are working up and getting delivered. MSN114 had 3 flights, MSN126 is awaiting first flight and MSN163 and 172 are in cabin fit. Thanks, we are all welcome to have our own definition of delayed. I’m referring to frames that have been built and then remain in TLS rather than leaving and entering service. Geoff
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on May 31, 2018 12:55:41 GMT 1
I would not count the A350-1000 frames as delayed. They are processed to a different speed than the A350-900. There was and is rework done on the A350-1000 frames, as it was also necessary on the early A350-900 frames. So we have 14 delayed frames. The Qatar A350-900 are working up and getting delivered. MSN114 had 3 flights, MSN126 is awaiting first flight and MSN163 and 172 are in cabin fit. Thanks, we are all welcome to have our own definition of delayed. I’m referring to frames that have been built and then remain in TLS rather than leaving and entering service. Geoff You are hammering on the A350-1000 being delayed. Do you have the contracted delivery times available? Was there an Airbus plan when those A350-1000 should have been delivered? An estimate how long the rework takes? So my opinion is, that the A350-1000 are not delayed at all. Perhaps you come with some facts, other that that the A350-900 get currently delivered faster.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 31, 2018 13:28:16 GMT 1
Thanks, we are all welcome to have our own definition of delayed. I’m referring to frames that have been built and then remain in TLS rather than leaving and entering service. Production is a continuous process, delivery is not. As a consequence, any assembly line will see a number of aircraft sitting on the flight line, in parking grounds or in hangars. 'Delayed' refers to a difference with a pre-agreed, continuously updated schedule - which we usually don't know. Producing 'just in time' is ideal but is far from always possible. The manufacturing company juggles with industrial constraints (when you have all the parts, you must assemble them) and customers' changing needs (some asking to speed up deliveries, others wishing to slow them down). As a result, it may end up with frames built early or late. The latter is usually worse (= more costly) than the former, so that what appears to be a 'late' delivery may just as well be an 'early build' when taking into account an updated schedule ... The aircraft is transferred only when both the manufacturer and the customer are satisfied and ready. When we see an aircraft has been rolled out - fully painted and fitted with engines - but hasn't been flying, or remains on the ground after some flights, it's often very hard to know what's actually going on, or who is responsible. The aircraft may have some issues that we don't know about : it may be a manufacturer's problem (need of some rework, lack of some manufacturer furnished equipment, fault found during an inspection or test ...) or a customer's issue (lack of some buyer furnished equipment, lack of qualified crew, financial problem ...). There may also be a disagreement on some schedule change or compensation claim, freezing deliveries until a settlement is reached. Lumping all aircraft together as 'delayed' is in my opinion easy but improper. Something more neutral would be better. I like to talk of 'inventory', but you may find better words. Anyhow, with interest rates at a low, cost is not such a huge issue. Airbus' main concern is that too much inventory does not allow the group to shine as much as it should in front of financial markets.
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on Jun 1, 2018 0:53:28 GMT 1
I like inventory, I’ll go with undelivered inventory in future.
Geoff
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Post by marlibu on Jun 14, 2018 22:46:07 GMT 1
with 4 frames undergoing CAF, it would be awesome if the final frame for Malaysia could make it out this month. fingers crossed.
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on Jun 30, 2018 22:34:48 GMT 1
A lot of good signs this month that Airbus are clearing their inventory of undelivered completed frames.
At the beginning of 2018 the inventory comprised 23 completed frames that had not left TLS , including 2 owned by AerCap.
QR has now taken delivery of 7 of these frames including two -1000. CX have taken delivery of their first A350-1000.
A further 6 frames have been added this year, up to and including MSN 215. This makes the total now 21.
It seems that CAAC certification for the A350 is now either in place or imminent.
MSN 217 for CA has flown and could be the first mainland China frame to leave TLS.
Details ;
-1000s total 8
QR 110,125,141,161,215 CX. 169,188,206
QR -900s total 6
126,163,172,207,211,214
Mainland China total 7
52,55,60,98,112,167,178
Getting these 21 delivered quickly would be a big boost for Airbus morale, reputation and finances.
Geoff
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jul 2, 2018 9:30:00 GMT 1
Couldn't some of the frames mentioned in ghorn's interesting post above still need completion ? Do we know whether the interiors have been installed on all these birds ?
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 2, 2018 14:16:04 GMT 1
A lot of good signs this month that Airbus are clearing their inventory of undelivered completed frames. At the beginning of 2018 the inventory comprised 23 completed frames that had not left TLS , including 2 owned by AerCap. QR has now taken delivery of 7 of these frames including two -1000. CX have taken delivery of their first A350-1000. A further 6 frames have been added this year, up to and including MSN 215. This makes the total now 21. It seems that CAAC certification for the A350 is now either in place or imminent. MSN 217 for CA has flown and could be the first mainland China frame to leave TLS. Details ; -1000s total 8 QR 110,125,141,161,215 CX. 169,188,206 QR -900s total 6 126,163,172,207,211,214 Mainland China total 7 52,55,60,98,112,167,178 Getting these 21 delivered quickly would be a big boost for Airbus morale, reputation and finances. Geoff I assume that most of the younger A350-1000 frames are going or have been going through quite a bit of rework. At CX, the newer MSN188 and I assume MSN206 also, have passed MSN169. Regarding the Qatar A350-1000. I assume that MSN110 and 125 have been reworked, but MSN141 and 161 are still worked upon. I assume that A350-1000 past MSN188 should run faster through the system.
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on Jul 2, 2018 15:55:46 GMT 1
Yes, you both make good points. Although fully assembled these frames will need different work doing before delivery , which will affect delivery timescales.
Geoff
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