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Post by Baroque on Jul 27, 2018 12:39:52 GMT 1
I'm not the only one thinking American Craplines is gonna cancel. . . . Am I ?? It's a bit odd to say I want to delay introducing a new more fuel efficient aircraft because fuel prices have gone up ! Is that not more of a reason to introduce them early ! Not just that, AA got preferred customer pricing on their A321s which is a guarantee that they pay the lowest price for them or they get a refund of the difference from Airbus if another airline got them cheaper.
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 27, 2018 12:54:24 GMT 1
I'm not the only one thinking American Craplines is gonna cancel. . . . Am I ?? It's a bit odd to say I want to delay introducing a new more fuel efficient aircraft because fuel prices have gone up ! Is that not more of a reason to introduce them early ! The dreaded CAPEX. If things go difficult USA investors want to see reduced CAPEX now. That is for the next quarter. Investment into fuel savings pays off sometime in the future. Reduced CAPEX increases free cash flow. That increased cash the company can use to do share buybacks and pay dividends. Investing in the future is for suckers.
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Post by Jkkw on Jul 27, 2018 13:51:19 GMT 1
Thanks Jkkw!! Btw love your Avatar!!! No worries! and thanks! the A350 winglet is such a great winglet to photograph!
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Post by peter on Jul 28, 2018 9:14:35 GMT 1
When did they order them, I can't find anything on internet? or was it a transfer from US Airways?.. I believe it was when AA ordered 130 A32Xceo + 130 A32Xneo in 2011 before the AA/US Airways merger Yes, and after the merger they seem to have had enough aircraft. From that 2011 order only 78 (7 A319's and 71 A321's) have been delivered. The rest of the ceo's was apparently cancelled, no more on order according to the latest O/D spreadsheet.. The 100 A321neo order was signed on 23 January 2013 according to Wiki, I think that was also before the AA/US merger.
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Post by someone on Jul 28, 2018 11:03:22 GMT 1
I believe it was when AA ordered 130 A32Xceo + 130 A32Xneo in 2011 before the AA/US Airways merger Yes, and after the merger they seem to have had enough aircraft. From that 2011 order only 78 (7 A319's and 71 A321's) have been delivered. The rest of the ceo's was apparently cancelled, no more on order according to the latest O/D spreadsheet.. The 100 A321neo order was signed on 23 January 2013 according to Wiki, I think that was also before the AA/US merger. American took delivery of at least 32 A319 (with sharklets) from that order. All delivered between mid 2013 and mid 2015
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Post by peter on Jul 28, 2018 12:21:58 GMT 1
American took delivery of at least 32 A319 (with sharklets) from that order. All delivered between mid 2013 and mid 2015 Airbus disagrees with you
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Post by marlibu on Jul 28, 2018 14:49:14 GMT 1
I'm not the only one thinking American Craplines is gonna cancel. . . . Am I ?? It's a bit odd to say I want to delay introducing a new more fuel efficient aircraft because fuel prices have gone up ! Is that not more of a reason to introduce them early ! I thought the exact same thing..... hahahaha I rationalized that I did not know the full cost of introducing the newer airplaes..so I just chalked it up to airline management knows best...it is indeed a weird rational though (delaying more fuel efficient planes...just to be clear)
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Post by someone on Jul 28, 2018 15:47:54 GMT 1
American took delivery of at least 32 A319 (with sharklets) from that order. All delivered between mid 2013 and mid 2015 Airbus disagrees with you Not really, look at the 35 operated by AA Remember including the former US aircraft the number of A319s operated by AA is even higher. But I ignore those here However, of those 35 (and not 32 as I wrongly counted at planespotters.net) where all part of the original order. Which wasn’t ever firm, but a sort of commitment. In order to finance these, only 7 A319s ordered was on AAs own books. The remaining orders was done through various leasing companies. So the aircraft delivered to AA was the same, the difference was who ended up actually ordering these aircraft The A319s delivered to AA though these leasing companies was rather odd, as Airbus didn’t firm them untill their actual deliveries. Thus in theory, Airbus was building A319s, in AA’s colours with AA customer furnished interior, without having a firm order from AA
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Post by marlibu on Jul 28, 2018 15:55:01 GMT 1
That is all sorts of confusing... aah well... it works out all in the end..
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 28, 2018 16:02:50 GMT 1
American took delivery of at least 32 A319 (with sharklets) from that order. All delivered between mid 2013 and mid 2015 Airbus disagrees with you It could be a definition how AA buys and how AA leases. If AA orders the frame but let the leasing company buy the frame from Airbus, it is registered as delivered to the leasing company. If AA takes delivery of the frame and than sells is to the leasing company it is registered with AA. AA has 32 wingleted A319, where AA is the first user. All in all AA has today 125 A319. It is also strange that Airbus registers 93 frames in operation at US Airways, all those frames are officially registered at AA today.
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