mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Apr 11, 2019 9:43:49 GMT 1
Just separately (same thread maybe, still?) neos and LRs? We do not have that separate in other lists. A350-900ULR or A350-900R. Furthermore the difference between an non LR ACF and an LR is just tanks and less passengers, with the ACF becoming the standard and the 4 door version dropping out. I think the differences are to floating to make different lists. The ACF birds in the list are marked as X. I can mark all LR as LR. When the XLR comes we should look at that again. The next problem is, that other sites we follow to get our information right, do not mark the LR special, somewhere it is an NX and somewhere just a neo. How do we distinguish an LR from a normal AFC. Am I right, that up to now only Arkia and TAP got an LR? Are the Arkia frames LR or normal AFC? The Arkia frame was called LR but has 220 passengers. Is it a real LR? The TAP frame has C16Y155 together 171 passengers. We know that is an LR. |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 11, 2019 11:00:05 GMT 1
Just separately (same thread maybe, still?) neos and LRs? No, we shouldn't. The main difference isn't between LR and non-LR, it is between traditional fuselages and ACF fuselages. As pointed out by Mjoelnir, if we have an ACF fuselage, then spotting the aircraft isn't enough to know whether or not she is a -LR. The right question, therefore, is whether we should have a separate count for ACF fuselages. As this configuration will become standard at some point next year, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to have a separate count. |
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 11, 2019 12:05:21 GMT 1
Just separately (same thread maybe, still?) neos and LRs? We do not have that separate in other lists. A350-900ULR or A350-900R. Furthermore the difference between an non LR ACF and an LR is just tanks and less passengers, with the ACF becoming the standard and the 4 door version dropping out. I think the differences are to floating to make different lists. The ACF birds in the list are marked as X. I can mark all LR as LR. When the XLR comes we should look at that again. The next problem is, that other sites we follow to get our information right, do not mark the LR special, somewhere it is an NX and somewhere just a neo. How do we distinguish an LR from a normal AFC. Am I right, that up to now only Arkia and TAP got an LR? Are the Arkia frames LR or normal AFC? The Arkia frame was called LR but has 220 passengers. Is it a real LR? The TAP frame has C16Y155 together 171 passengers. We know that is an LR. Only LRs so far indeed are Arkia with 2 and TAP with 1. Airbus themselves painted A321LR on Arkia's fuselage frames, it then can't be any other way. If it seems to have a too high seat count, it should anyways have both the 3 tank and the 97t MTOW, but for far destinations they would just block some seats perhaps? That way the frame could be used as LR on longer routes, and/or on high configuration shorter routes, what TAP ones can't do, if TAP's frames are put on shorter routes, they can't have a higher revenue by selling additional seats. On the list anyways here, I think it would be helpful if you don't mind mjoelnir, to add the mention LR on the frames that we know, are. |
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Apr 11, 2019 12:40:30 GMT 1
We do not have that separate in other lists. A350-900ULR or A350-900R. Furthermore the difference between an non LR ACF and an LR is just tanks and less passengers, with the ACF becoming the standard and the 4 door version dropping out. I think the differences are to floating to make different lists. The ACF birds in the list are marked as X. I can mark all LR as LR. When the XLR comes we should look at that again. The next problem is, that other sites we follow to get our information right, do not mark the LR special, somewhere it is an NX and somewhere just a neo. How do we distinguish an LR from a normal AFC. Am I right, that up to now only Arkia and TAP got an LR? Are the Arkia frames LR or normal AFC? The Arkia frame was called LR but has 220 passengers. Is it a real LR? The TAP frame has C16Y155 together 171 passengers. We know that is an LR. Only LRs so far indeed are Arkia with 2 and TAP with 1. Airbus themselves painted A321LR on Arkia's fuselage frames, it then can't be any other way. If it seems to have a too high seat count, it should anyways have both the 3 tank and the 97t MTOW, but for far destinations they would just block some seats perhaps? That way the frame could be used as LR on longer routes, and/or on high configuration shorter routes, what TAP ones can't do, if TAP's frames are put on shorter routes, they can't have a higher revenue by selling additional seats. On the list anyways here, I think it would be helpful if you don't mind mjoelnir, to add the mention LR on the frames that we know, are. I will add LR when it is known. I just do not think making an extra list is sensible. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Apr 11, 2019 12:49:25 GMT 1
I will add LR when it is known. I just do not think making an extra list is sensible. I agree, one list and add the LR when we know it to be true. |
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mtrunz
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Post by mtrunz on Apr 11, 2019 12:55:25 GMT 1
Just separately (same thread maybe, still?) neos and LRs? The next problem is, that other sites we follow to get our information right, do not mark the LR special, somewhere it is an NX and somewhere just a neo. How do we distinguish an LR from a normal AFC. I'll see what I can do to help. Maybe I'll just add LR at the end of the Aircraft Type. 🙂 |
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Post by addasih on Apr 11, 2019 16:37:27 GMT 1
I will add LR when it is known. I just do not think making an extra list is sensible. I agree, one list and add the LR when we know it to be true. +1 |
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lowpass
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Post by lowpass on Apr 12, 2019 8:29:50 GMT 1
Only LRs so far indeed are Arkia with 2 and TAP with 1. Airbus themselves painted A321LR on Arkia's fuselage frames, it then can't be any other way. If it seems to have a too high seat count, it should anyways have both the 3 tank and the 97t MTOW, but for far destinations they would just block some seats perhaps? That way the frame could be used as LR on longer routes, and/or on high configuration shorter routes, what TAP ones can't do, if TAP's frames are put on shorter routes, they can't have a higher revenue by selling additional seats. I also have this 2/3 ACT doubt and I saw that you recently flew on an Arkia, you could have asked a pilot  Your explanation is good, although this 2/3 ACT doubt arose because of some contradictory marketing from Airbus. But there is no doubt that it's an LR for Airbus |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 12, 2019 14:51:03 GMT 1
The type of fuselage (ACF or traditional) is obviously important, but I don't see much interest in the number of removable ACTs installed in an A321neo at a given moment.
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mtrunz
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Post by mtrunz on Apr 12, 2019 21:16:05 GMT 1
The next problem is, that other sites we follow to get our information right, do not mark the LR special, somewhere it is an NX and somewhere just a neo. How do we distinguish an LR from a normal AFC. I'll see what I can do to help. Maybe I'll just add LR at the end of the Aircraft Type. 🙂 As promised I added LR to all known A321neoLR's. I also added that in the search. The link below shows all A321neoLR's that have been Delivered: aibfamily.flights/search?aircraft_type=LR&a320_hide_ceo=true&delivered_only=true&family=A320Hope it helps you guys in future Deliveries I think there was someone on here who posted a screenshot of my Project and marked LR to all the ones he knew would be LR. That would be helpful right about now to narrow it down in the Production List so I can add that |
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