s543
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Post by s543 on Dec 26, 2014 0:44:49 GMT 1
I know they announced the 319neo earlier, but after the amount of orders of 319/321 I expected the order to change.
Probably there is not enough orders 319ceo so they want to speed it up a bit and obtain some 319neo orders - there is not many of those anyway.
We have (November numbers) only 50 319ceo orders + 49 319neo orders versus 544 321ceo + 734 321neo orders.
Maybe to finish the 319neo will be easier than 321neo ?
Until now we had 1424 319 deliverie versus only 1009 321 deliveries - i.e. the trend towards bigger planes is concerning those 2 models HUGE.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 26, 2014 1:44:10 GMT 1
There may be either technical or commercial reasons why Airbus needs more time to roll-out the first A321neo than to roll-out the first A319neo, or cannot delay the A319. For instance, slightly different engine versions (remember the higher-thrust A321 engine) may have different timelines, or an early A319 customer has secured early delivery slots ...
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s543
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Post by s543 on Dec 26, 2014 10:16:57 GMT 1
There may be either technical or commercial reasons why Airbus needs more time to roll-out the first A321neo than to roll-out the first A319neo, or cannot delay the A319. For instance, slightly different engine versions (remember the higher-thrust A321 engine) may have different timelines, or an early A319 customer has secured early delivery slots ... Frankly speaking I was afraid that the 319neo might take the 358 destiny..... It would not have been illogical... |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 26, 2014 11:15:43 GMT 1
The A358 could be jettisoned because Airbus had the A338/A339 to address the same market segment. Dropping the A319neo would invite competitors (especially the CSeries) to fill the vacuum without even having to fight.
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 26, 2014 11:39:27 GMT 1
Airbus has orders for the A319neo, at least 49, there could be more hiding in generic xx A320neo orders were the exact break down into models has not been disclosed. That number is before EIS. The number can easily go up during the lifetime production.
It makes only sense to delay the A319neo if that would free up resources or speed up the A321neo, I do not believe that to be the case. The A319neo will be good for hot and high, long haul and as CJ and I do not believe that Airbus has speculated about dropping her.
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Dec 26, 2014 12:22:17 GMT 1
There may be either technical or commercial reasons why Airbus needs more time to roll-out the first A321neo than to roll-out the first A319neo, or cannot delay the A319. For instance, slightly different engine versions (remember the higher-thrust A321 engine) may have different timelines, or an early A319 customer has secured early delivery slots ... Airbus cannot pull A321neo EIS forward. The A321neo requires more structural modifications than the A320neo and A319neo to support the increased weight, hence it has a longer lead time. |
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Dec 26, 2014 16:07:03 GMT 1
Great points by mjoelnir and xwb. I also feel that there's no point bringing forward the A321neo before the A319neo, whose order backlog is small, as you have a huge backlog of A320neos to clear up first.
I do not believe that the A319neo (or the MAX-7) will be dropped as it leaves the bottom end of the narrowbody line up exposed to new entrants and may creep into A320 territory. The A319neo can also be seen as a special performer and will be a good ACJ platform.
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Dec 27, 2014 13:01:38 GMT 1
Why is there written D-AUBA on the plane is written D-AVVA... It used to be D-AUBA as can be seen on the first picture by spotterxfw dated Sep 08, obviously now re-registered Some aircraft have been re-registered indeed. Here's the current line-up: > MSN 6101: A320-271N, P&W, TLS, F-WNEO > MSN 6286: A320-271N, P&W, XFW, D-AVVA (was D-AUBA) > MSN 6419: A320-251N, CFM, TLS, F-WNEW > MSN 6642: A320-251N, CFM, XFW, D-AVVB (was D-AUBB) > MSN 6464: A319-171N, P&W, XFW, D-AVWA > MSN 6620: A319-151N, CFM, XFW, D-AVYW (was D-AVWB) |
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Post by peter on Jan 6, 2015 0:01:36 GMT 1
24 A320neo family for China Southern (through AerCap): Press Release |
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Jan 12, 2015 18:11:51 GMT 1
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