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Post by chornedsnorkack on Apr 29, 2013 10:44:51 GMT 1
Where do all these parts go? Spare parts for other aircraft in the fleet or the black market dealings by unsatisfied local creditors? Parts have a value. Therefore, when wages are not paid, when nobody cares for the company anymore, they get stolen by anybody. Value for whom? They are specialized things, which are identifiable if found and most consumers also prefer to have correct papers. Stolen airliner parts are presumably relatively specialized stuff to fence on a black market. The one obvious consumer was Kingfisher, keeping the other aircraft in the fleet flying. Were the 30 or so leased frames leased from a single owner, or a number of different lessors? And if several, what happens now to the frames already flown away by the lessors who thought they recognized their frames, but now find "their" frames consist of parts stolen from other lessors? |
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Post by harty236 on Apr 29, 2013 11:08:19 GMT 1
The pictures have disappeared. XWB Do you have a link to the original source? |
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Post by starbucks on Apr 29, 2013 12:14:29 GMT 1
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Post by Baroque on May 2, 2013 4:16:44 GMT 1
 A Kingfisher Red Aircraft Falling Apart – Parked At Delhi; Photo Credit: Sankaps SourceI must say, I've seen aircraft in better looking condition in scrapyards. Sad.  Value for whom? They are specialized things, which are identifiable if found and most consumers also prefer to have correct papers. Stolen airliner parts are presumably relatively specialized stuff to fence on a black market. The one obvious consumer was Kingfisher, keeping the other aircraft in the fleet flying. India has a demonstrably ineffective legal system and it is what lead to this condition in the first place. I wouldn't rule out the unauthorized sale and use of such parts in other aircraft, be it in India or other countries where law enforcement and safety regulations are very weak. And besides, some of the parts such as seats and other cabin furnishing don't even need to go on an aircraft to be useful to someone. And I see a missing toilet in one of the pictures above...may well serve a useful purpose in a country known for poor sanitation standards.  |
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Post by harty236 on May 2, 2013 4:58:21 GMT 1
Holy crap, they're absolutely gutted!
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Post by chornedsnorkack on May 2, 2013 9:41:01 GMT 1
One nearby market, who does care about safety, but NOT about certain foreign laws, is Iran.
Airbuses are contaminated with various parts made in USA, which hampers exporting them to Iran. Are the Kingfisher frames missing any parts that Iran needs (and cannot legally buy nor replicate)?
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Post by Baroque on May 2, 2013 14:44:10 GMT 1
One nearby market, who does care about safety, but NOT about certain foreign laws, is Iran. Airbuses are contaminated with various parts made in USA, which hampers exporting them to Iran. Are the Kingfisher frames missing any parts that Iran needs (and cannot legally buy nor replicate)? Iran operates a few older Airbuses such as A300/A310s. But I found this one airline that operates A320s: Ata Airlines. I've been skimming through some of the airlines blacklisted by the EU due to poor maintenance ( Link) and the list of A320 operators ( Link), and I've come across quite a few examples. Some of them from Afghanistan and surrounding countries for example. |
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Post by FabienA380 on May 2, 2013 15:20:02 GMT 1
What I'm wondering actually is why these info of vandalism were released recently, all in the same time, I guess the vandals did not operate all in the same day leaving the planes in those states, it must have been within weeks, months, why noone would have taken pictures, press not talked about it??..... Also how the vandals would have operated, airports and airfields do have intrusion systems/alarms, staff, protections,... or would ALL the anti-intrusion staff or all airports' staff have vandalised the planes themselves?... meaning that ALL staff in India Airports are corrupted or very low-level common-sensed??.... no offence to any one, and it doesn't make sense neither... Someone common-sensed would certainly have reported this, why it did not happen??... Fabien  |
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Post by Baroque on May 2, 2013 15:53:17 GMT 1
Also how the vandals would have operated, airports and airfields do have intrusion systems/alarms, staff, protections,... or would ALL the anti-intrusion staff or all airports' staff have vandalised the planes themselves?... meaning that ALL staff in India Airports are corrupted or very low-level common-sensed??.... no offence to any one, and it doesn't make sense neither... Someone common-sensed would certainly have reported this, why it did not happen??... Fabien For one thing, in India it's easy to bribe your way into such places if you have the necessary connections. But the vandals don't have to be complete outsiders either. Kingfisher left behind lots of unpaid workers, pilots, cabin crew, and mechanics who would have wanted to recoup some of their pay. Also, politically backed local creditors and tax authorities in India wield a lot of power, and can seize and liquidate things without the need for going through the proper legal procedures. |
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Post by XWB on May 2, 2013 16:05:23 GMT 1
The pictures have disappeared. XWB Do you have a link to the original source? The pictures are working again. |
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