Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Apr 11, 2013 17:15:20 GMT 1
I sometimes get the impression that Air France is a "reluctant" Airbus customer these days.
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 11, 2013 22:36:53 GMT 1
I wouldn't make this a general rule, as we don't know the sequence of Built Parts...... I would for example expect MSN130 to be built before MSN137, but nobody could obviously evidence this... Perhaps as well MSN146 would have been built before MSN137?....... Nobody knows..... Fabien
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someone
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Post by someone on Apr 12, 2013 7:40:09 GMT 1
I sometimes get the impression that Air France is a "reluctant" Airbus customer these days. That goes towards Boeing as well, and is simply as Air France group is trying to save cash, by delaying investments
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 12, 2013 8:23:31 GMT 1
That goes towards Boeing as well, and is simply as Air France group is trying to save cash, by delaying investments I agree, the airline is fighting to cut costs and one of its goal is to reduce its debt. Growing the size of the A380 fleet may be good in many respects for future operations, but increases indebtment. As regards the proposed A350 order, the delays are evidence of GE/SNECMA's influence inside the company. Had the A350 a GE engine, be it worse than Roll-Royce's, the airline would have ordered the aircraft at the same time as the 787. The fight for aftersales rights is the way the war against Rolls-Royce is waged inside the company. Let's see if GE/SNECMA's influence is strong enough to break the deal ...
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Apr 13, 2013 1:20:12 GMT 1
I sometimes get the impression that Air France is a "reluctant" Airbus customer these days. That goes towards Boeing as well, and is simply as Air France group is trying to save cash, by delaying investments As was mentioned though, other airlines are proud of their 'flagship' A380s. Air France don't seem to have the same enthusiasm - at least, not publically. Whether they delay buying or not doesn't alter the fact that once they're delivered Air France don't seem to think they are special.
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UK380
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Post by UK380 on Apr 13, 2013 9:04:53 GMT 1
news.airwise.com/story/view/1365729234.htmlmaybe an easier article to read..... Air France-KLM said it is in talks with Airbus about postponing deliveries of the next A380s it has on order by several months as it tries to rein in spending and reduce debt. The Franco-Dutch carrier operates a fleet of eight A380s, after taking delivery of two more last year, and has a further four on order. "Discussions are still in progress with Airbus to define new dates regarding deliveries of the next A380s still on order," Air France-KLM said in its latest annual registration document. Air France-KLM is seeking to return to profit and cut debt by EUR€2 billion (USD$2.6 billion) by the end of 2014 after being battered by high fuel costs, a worsening cargo business and tough competition from Gulf and low-cost carriers. The carrier said in its registration document that it had cancelled an option "which could no longer be extended" to buy an A380 last year and again postponed the delivery of one Boeing 777-300ER by a year. The airline said it had also agreed with the plane makers to delay deliveries of three Airbus A320s and one Boeing 777-300. An Air France-KLM spokeswoman said the airline was finalising talks with Airbus to delay delivery of its ninth A380 until September this year from an unspecified date and its 10th until April 2014 from 2013. The other two, due in 2014, would come at an unspecified later date, she said. Airbus has said it is aiming to sell around 30 A380s this year. It said in January that it expected to produce 25 A380s in 2013, and it delivered four in the first quarter. Air France-KLM added that discussions were still ongoing with Airbus and engine supplier Rolls-Royce to finalise an order for Airbus A350s. The carrier placed the provisional USD$7 billion order for 25 wide-bodied A350-900 passenger jets in September 2011 at the same time as ordering 25 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, a deal which has since been confirmed.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 7, 2013 21:46:24 GMT 1
news.airwise.com/story/view/1365729234.htmlThe carrier said in its registration document that it had cancelled an option "which could no longer be extended" to buy an A380 last year and again postponed the delivery of one Boeing 777-300ER by a year. I missed that detail a few months ago, reading an article today about it and reposting in case anyone missed that option cancellation as well... Fabien
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Sept 18, 2013 10:07:55 GMT 1
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Post by a380admirer on Sept 23, 2013 13:58:49 GMT 1
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Oct 5, 2013 22:38:43 GMT 1
AF unveils special livery.
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