philidor
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Post by philidor on Jan 16, 2015 23:34:35 GMT 1
What does that mean, are those 10 airframes underperforming? This was an initial simplified version, ten copies of which were built and delivered to Aeroflot with a commitment from Sukhoi to buy them back and replace them wih the full version. If understand the planes were bought back as planned in 2013. "Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi Civil Aircraft delivered its first “full-specification” Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ-100) short-haul airliner to national flagship airline Aeroflot 31 May 2013. Aeroflot is the largest customer for the Superjet with a total order for 30 airliners. The first ten aircraft which were delivered to Aeroflot were of an interim specification, and will be replaced with the “full-version” aircraft in 2013-2014. Sukhoi announced in early April it would buy back the first ten SSJ-100 aircraft from Aeroflot for approximately $19 million each." www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/superjet-100-prod.htmA shorter piece : sputniknews.com/business/20130404/180435815.html
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Jan 16, 2015 23:40:02 GMT 1
SuperJet International (SJI) is a joint venture between Alenia Aermacchi (51%) and Sukhoi Holding (49%) established to sell the Sukhoi Superjet 100. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperJet_InternationalThis wiki article also gives a brief look at the international participation and suppliers - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100And the PowerJet SaM146 engine is a 50-50 joint venture between Russia's NPO Saturn and France's SNECMA (like CFM). Even Boeing is involved in the programme:
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s543
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Post by s543 on Jan 17, 2015 0:23:17 GMT 1
So what have I said which is not true ?
The engine is basically CFM, the fuselage is Alenia Aermacchi which in cooperation with others (mainly Aero Vodochody original manufacturer of L29 + later about 50% of all Sikorski fuselages and now big parts of Superjet), makes among other fuselages all the A321 fuselages, avionics is the same like AB or BO, and we can continue....
So to present it as a product of Russian industry is complete nonsense. Without the deliveries of a lot of others the plane could not fly. As simple as that.
The times when Russian (again with significant help in East Germany, Czech.rep, Hungary) industry could produce civil jet airplanes (however outdated) are in the past.
So back - the Aeroflot order might be what ever - I have no idea - but the support to domestic industry would be only political not really economical. Much much more than 50% of the value was produced in the west. Probably it is going to be closer to 80-90%.
Just read the wikipedia article - which omits a LOT of other parts made somewhere.
Of course it is similar with all other planes - the difference is there is no such a HUGE nationalism around the product !
We of course understand that the final producer completes parts from thousands of suppliers, and in many cases same supplier makes fundamental parts for all the competitors, like Honeywell, Thales, Spirit to name just the important three from many dozens.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jan 31, 2015 6:17:08 GMT 1
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Post by XWB on Feb 8, 2015 12:22:32 GMT 1
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s543
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Post by s543 on Feb 8, 2015 15:27:37 GMT 1
Interesting there are absolutely no wingtips of any type on it. One would guess that it is not so complicated addition, making so gain ?
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Post by peter on Feb 8, 2015 17:15:41 GMT 1
Nice photo of the first Red Wings SSJ100: Actually it is their second, delivered Feb 06, 2015. First was RA-89021 delivered on Jan 19.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Feb 8, 2015 17:42:01 GMT 1
Interesting there are absolutely no wingtips of any type on it. One would guess that it is not so complicated addition, making so gain ? The SSJ has been optimised for short stages. For instance, its engine is not a high-bypass one by present standards, but it is comparatively light, and very efficient in climb. I imagine that the weight-saving clean wing is part of the same design choice. For the same reason, sharklets are only an option on A320ceos.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Feb 8, 2015 20:58:50 GMT 1
Interesting there are absolutely no wingtips of any type on it. One would guess that it is not so complicated addition, making so gain ? The SSJ has been optimised for short stages. For instance, its engine is not a high-bypass one by present standards, but it is comparatively light, and very efficient in climb. I imagine that the weight-saving clean wing is part of the same design choice. For the same reason, sharklets are only an option on A320ceos. Well Philidor - even the oldest A320 have wingtip which still helps to deal with the turbulent air on the end of the wing. We do have small wingtip and "sharklet", but nothing on SSJ. The A330 has some sort of it, 747-400 has it etc. It was worth the effort to put it on most of 757 and 767 later and even some 737-300. The Embraers and Bombardiers - the competition of SSJ has them too. I would say that almost all the planes produced in last 20 years have them. The exception is 777 - why ? I do not know.
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Post by Jkkw on Feb 9, 2015 10:49:41 GMT 1
The SSJ has been optimised for short stages. For instance, its engine is not a high-bypass one by present standards, but it is comparatively light, and very efficient in climb. I imagine that the weight-saving clean wing is part of the same design choice. For the same reason, sharklets are only an option on A320ceos. Well Philidor - even the oldest A320 have wingtip which still helps to deal with the turbulent air on the end of the wing. We do have small wingtip and "sharklet", but nothing on SSJ. The A330 has some sort of it, 747-400 has it etc. It was worth the effort to put it on most of 757 and 767 later and even some 737-300. The Embraers and Bombardiers - the competition of SSJ has them too. I would say that almost all the planes produced in last 20 years have them. The exception is 777 - why ? I do not know. The A320-100s had no wingtip device although that aircraft is now history. The following article is a good read. airinsight.com/2012/04/10/winglets-a-triumph-of-marketing-over-reality/#.VNiCEOaUeSo
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