XWB
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Post by XWB on May 14, 2013 20:08:35 GMT 1
X is just development name, just like the A3XX (A380) and now the 777X.
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Post by bmw801 on May 14, 2013 22:07:26 GMT 1
In my opinion there should be something between the A320 and A321. But if they will do it ? You mean between the A321 and the A350? No, I was thinking about an "A320,5" to cover the real live capacity of the B737-8. From my point of few adding a few frames to the A320 could be a very appealing idea for airlines. On the other hand, Airbus could be quite happy with the actual narrow body situation (for now).
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Post by philidor on May 14, 2013 23:51:18 GMT 1
I do not think that Airbus is in a position to launch any major new program before completing development of the A350-900 and the NEO family. So, I expect no major initiative in the 2013/2015 time span.
In the following few years(2015/2017), however, Airbus should enjoy a quickly improving financial situation, with fast-growing sales and margins (with a new flow of NEO and A350-900 deliveries, A380 reaching break-even, A330 still selling well ...). The financial burden, left over from developments costs (A380, A350) and industrial investments (new FAL in several locations including Alabama ...)should quickly decrease, giving Airbus more leeway to consider developping new products after completing the A350-1000. Therefore, Airbus can be expected to take some risks.
The A350-800, if it is still on the drawing board then, may be redesigned to be made more competitive, even at a higher development cost. Like Baroque, I do not believe Airbus should or would launch an A330 NEO : it will be too late at that time to invest in such a classical design.
Other A350 derivatives could be considered. The main question - but not the only one - is that of a possible double stretch to challenge the 777X-9. I do not know whether the idea makes sense or not.
An updated A380 seems an obvious choice, of course with new engines and a fuselage extension, maybe also with a new effort to shed some weight.
A clean-sheet narrowbody may come sooner than expected if Boeing is dissatisfied with the MAX market share and decides to speed up the design of a substitute.
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Post by ghorn on May 16, 2013 8:52:13 GMT 1
Any new program will be driven by commercial opportunities and threats.
By the early 2020s the following products will be being delivered ( if all goes according to plan !!! )
Airbus A350-800, A350-900, A350-1000 and A380-800
Boeing 787-8, 787-9, 787-10, 777-8, 777-9 and 747-8
That looks to leave Airbus a bit short of products in comparison. They'll have nothing to compete with the smaller 787s and a big gap between the A350-1000 and the A380.
From a sales perspective I think a revamp of the A330 would be attractive as would a double stretch of the A350.
Cost and engineering practicalities will have a big part to play in the decisions !!
Geoff
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Post by Baroque on Jun 16, 2013 5:32:51 GMT 1
An interview with Fabrice Bregier by Aviationweek. Airbus CEO Talks About Highs And Lows Of MarketLots of good points mentioned. But I'll pull out this... Me - Iiiiiiiiiinteresting! Compare it to the finalness in tone in this statement... Given how Airbus has been adopting an increasingly conservative tone these days, I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually working on something behind the scenes without revealing too much. And I'm sure there are a few people in Seattle who too would be thinking along these lines...probably feeling a bit annoyed at Airbus too for this.
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Post by someone on Jun 16, 2013 12:30:27 GMT 1
And the same interview with Mr Bregier, he states that that a brand new A320 successor is more likely towards 2030, than 2015 as previously indicated by Airbus
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Post by Baroque on Jun 17, 2013 0:18:04 GMT 1
Some interesting progress in electric aircraft taxiing. Honeywell and Safran demonstrate electric green taxiing system on Airbus A320- Honeywell and Safran, having completed the first major phase of testing of their electric green taxiing system (EGTS), are publicly demonstrating the technology for the first time, installed on an Airbus A320 aircraft, at the 50th International Paris Air Show held at Le Bourget Airport. - EGTS can cut fuel consumption by up to four percent per flight cycle.- will reduce engine and brake wear and minimize the risk of engine FOD - EGTS fitted to it (aircraft) has logged close to 160 kilometers (100 miles) of rolling tests. 3000 hours of testing done in total on and off the aircraft. - The next major milestone will be to conduct various maneuvers at speeds up to 20 knots, at full performance and with the aircraft at maximum take-off weight (MTOW). - In addition to faster push-back times, being fully autonomous with its reverse mode, the system is very smooth and so easy to operate, enabling the plane to accelerate without any delay, and move at a steady rate,” says Jens Berlinson, test pilot, Safran. “With EGTS we no longer need to use the brakes unlike with today's aircraft that have a tendency to accelerate naturally even when the engines are at idle.
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Post by Jkkw on Sept 24, 2013 13:18:55 GMT 1
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Post by harty236 on Oct 7, 2013 19:19:16 GMT 1
It seems that both A and B are struggling to sell their quadjets. DO you think it would be possible to make a twinjet version of the A380? I know each engine would have to produce ~150,000 lb of thrust each but do you think it could be done?
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Post by philidor on Oct 7, 2013 23:28:10 GMT 1
It seems that both A and B are struggling to sell their quadjets. DO you think it would be possible to make a twinjet version of the A380? I know each engine would have to produce ~150,000 lb of thrust each but do you think it could be done? The answer depends on the targeted MTOW. If targeted MTOW is about the same as an A380 or B748, there is no way to achieve that with a twin ! The aircraft must pass the "take-off with one engine inoperative" test, and no engine could do that in a foreseeable future. If however you say "trijet" instead of "twin", this is a horse of a different colour.
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