philidor
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Post by philidor on Jul 19, 2013 16:28:54 GMT 1
What is stated in the Leehamnews article is that the Broughton wing factory has been sized to support a pace of 13 wing pairs per month.
Whether the whole supply chain could sustain that pace, and whether Airbus actually has plans to reach that pace are different questions.
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Post by Baroque on Jul 19, 2013 18:23:08 GMT 1
What is stated in the Leehamnews article is that the Broughton wing factory has been sized to support a pace of 13 wing pairs per month. Whether the whole supply chain could sustain that pace, and whether Airbus actually has plans to reach that pace are different questions. Over the past couple of years, I've heard of 3 production rates being discussed. - 10/mo is the one we're familiar with. - 13/mo was always under consideration. - 18/mo was the third. This rate has not been discussed too much. I only recall reading in one particular source that Airbus's A350 line should eventually be capable of a maximum output of 18/mo. I'm still trying to find this source. It was linked to in our old forum where we also talked about whether Airbus can sell 200+ units a year if this were to happen. |
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Post by a380admirer on Aug 13, 2013 7:30:34 GMT 1
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Post by tris06 on Aug 13, 2013 9:25:35 GMT 1
Yeah i read this its pretty sad. Currently they have just produced up to MSN4.
Lets hope 2/3 sets are produced min in the 3rd quarter and 3/4 in 4th quarter.Yet they have no issue getting the 10 sets per month done for the 787. Hopefully airbus can buy this facility from Spirit and divorce their priorities from their old master boeing.
Finger crossed and i am hopeful it does not delay the EIS.
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Post by Flying Dutchman on Aug 13, 2013 11:03:25 GMT 1
Exactly what are they delivering for the A350?
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Aug 13, 2013 12:21:32 GMT 1
We have heard of Spirit's A350 problems and delays for about one year. They are on the program's critical path, and Airbus has been supporting them with a huge engineering team - hence the French factory purchase talks. So far, the consequences of Spirit delivery delays on the A350 program timeline are unclear. Hopefully, the issue has been mitigated by Airbus. Spirit's travails extend far beyond the A350 program. Their B787 involvement is ancient and their workflow has already be righted, but their work on some business jets programs also is far behind schedule. The future of the company as a whole presently is under a cloud ... |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Aug 13, 2013 17:09:00 GMT 1
A350 information disclosed in Spirit's Q2 financial statements is not, in my view, entirely bad.
On the minus side, the company is indeed struggling to ramp up deliveries (3 shipsets delivered in H1 this year, but only one in Q2 vs 2 in Q1), and Spirit is certainly behind schedule. No July data, and no H2 forecast have been provided, so the fallout on the A350 timeline remains unclear.
On the plus side, the huge losses recorded by Spirit in Q2 are mainly related to Gulfstream programs. The company involvement in the A350 program is not a contributing factor to its losses. The program should therefore be immune from any drastic decision.
Does anybody know whether the A350 program is concerned by the upcoming sale of Spirit's Oklahoma sites?
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Post by XWB on Aug 14, 2013 13:19:39 GMT 1
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Post by Flying Dutchman on Aug 14, 2013 21:16:57 GMT 1
Thanks
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Aug 14, 2013 21:54:09 GMT 1
On the minus side, the company is indeed struggling to ramp up deliveries (3 shipsets delivered in H1 this year, but only one in Q2 vs 2 in Q1), and Spirit is certainly behind schedule. No July data, and no H2 forecast have been provided, so the fallout on the A350 timeline remains unclear.
I'm not too worried as long as the ship sets are in line with the roadmap below.  MSN4 should have been delivered in July or August (which is Q3) and MSN5 is not due until October (Q4). It seems like the test frames are on schedule (meaning certification is not at stake). The production ramp-up is planned for Q4 so it's too soon to judge.  |
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