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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 17, 2014 16:29:36 GMT 1
Indeed, MSN167 will be stored in a hangar (not 'change of station')
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Post by XWB on Jun 17, 2014 16:29:43 GMT 1
I was expecting this in fact, I think it was very late in FALstage2 last week without engines already. It is obviously going into storage, complete without engines. I think then better consider it rolled out when it really rolls out in a few months, with engines. I have to disagree, final assembly is finished and engines can be installed within 24 hours if it needs to ferry to XFW.
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Post by XWB on Jun 17, 2014 16:35:11 GMT 1
hmm. contradicting info. I will go with what A380_TLS_A350 mentioned Hmm ok that's weird. In that case MSN167 is a bit late.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 17, 2014 16:38:55 GMT 1
To me "rolled out" means all complete on the FL with engines, ready to start ground tests. We have had another case, MSN036 appeared complete on the FL at some stage, with no engines, and reappeared with engines a couple of weeks later, we considered then MSN036 rolled out at the time it was actually complete with engines on the FL...... Also, though MSN167 looks complete to us, there could be some inside finishing work before going to the FL?...
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 17, 2014 16:40:36 GMT 1
I don't see anything contradictory with the wording for MSN167, change of 'hangar' for FL hangars (storage in this case), change of 'station' for switch from Body Join to FAL, FALstage1 to FALstage2 etc......
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Post by XWB on Jun 17, 2014 16:55:02 GMT 1
We have to make an exception, otherwise MSN167 will have an extremely long period between FAL start and roll out, messing up the statistics.
Also, engines can be installed almost everyone, even on the flightline, within 24 hours. So this can be seen as a separate process from the assembly process.
Sometimes you have to make an exception to the general rule.
MSN036 was involved in the cable re-wiring issue. I don't think we should compare an early production model versus a mature one.
It could, but it's unlikely. Usually you want to finish it now and pull it out of storage as soon as needed. Attach the engines and fly it to XFW. Also, MSN167 looks more complete than MSN170 which just went to stage 2. If assembly wasn't finished, I expect some panels to be missing.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 17, 2014 16:57:14 GMT 1
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Post by XWB on Jun 17, 2014 16:58:21 GMT 1
I don't think he's using our definition.
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 17, 2014 17:04:16 GMT 1
Doesn't matter at all as we know why, many other frames have delayed times and we know why (just a few MSN052, MSN047, MSN050, MSN127, many frames in OF last year MSN138 MSN133 MSN132, MSN125 rolled out at TLS in 12 weeks versus MSN131 in 23 weeks,...........) No, rewiring stopped at MSN025. Beside, this was the only one frame doing this way, on the FL for a few days complete with no engines, then disappear and reappear on the FL with engines a couple of weeks later. Yes, MSN167 completed the FALstage2 already and MSN170 only completed the FALstage1
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Post by XWB on Jun 17, 2014 17:08:01 GMT 1
I like to propose a compromise: we note June 17 (today) as roll out date for MSN167. When it comes back out of storage, we review the date: if it goes to the flightline or to the FAL for 1-2 days, we stick with June 17. If it goes to the FAL for several weeks, we adjust the date.
I think it does matter, MSN167 will probably stick in storage until early 2015. That's a HUGE gap in the statistics.
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