trumpton
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Post by trumpton on Apr 21, 2014 18:49:16 GMT 1
One thing that annoys me is airlines often codeshare on routes. Why don't they planeshare? I just don't understand why one of the most common planes serving LHR and the east coast of the US is the dated 767. Am I stupid in not understanding the economies of scale. Would it be too difficult to stop duplicating transatlantic routes with smaller widebodies and somehow arrange planeshare within different airlines. The A380 is the perfect tool for the job, but I guess it would need a new mindset with international airlines.
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Post by peter on Apr 21, 2014 19:50:17 GMT 1
Perfectly understandable, but I doubt that new mindset will come soon...
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Apr 21, 2014 19:55:48 GMT 1
Would it be too difficult to stop duplicating transatlantic routes with smaller widebodies and somehow arrange planeshare within different airlines. Sorry, I do not understand this. Can you explain this concept better?
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s543
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Post by s543 on Apr 21, 2014 20:01:08 GMT 1
There is more onto this theme - AA-BA have common operation on the JFK-LHR route. Just check their afternoon/evening (NY time) schedule. It is worth doing !!!!
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 21, 2014 23:11:05 GMT 1
One thing that annoys me is airlines often codeshare on routes. Why don't they planeshare? I just don't understand why one of the most common planes serving LHR and the east coast of the US is the dated 767. Am I stupid in not understanding the economies of scale. Would it be too difficult to stop duplicating transatlantic routes with smaller widebodies and somehow arrange planeshare within different airlines. The A380 is the perfect tool for the job, but I guess it would need a new mindset with international airlines. This post reminds me that the concept of alliances might have involved a higher degree of fleet commonality. If this higher stage of integration had been reached, VLAs could more easily have been introduced without any drastic reduction in frequency. Airlines however do not fully trust their temporary alliance partners, who remain independant carriers, and no company is ready to jettison its brand identity. So, I think that the reason why we do not see "planesharing" is that competition does not allow it, and alliances are just soft and temporary agreements. Airline mergers are the way to the rationalisation you call for but, at international level, they are very difficult to arrange and to manage.
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trumpton
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Post by trumpton on Apr 24, 2014 9:21:34 GMT 1
Would it be too difficult to stop duplicating transatlantic routes with smaller widebodies and somehow arrange planeshare within different airlines. Sorry, I do not understand this. Can you explain this concept better? Well between 08.30 & 09.30 this morning there were 7 arrivals from New York at Heathrow, served by a selection of 76s, 77s and 74s. Those seven arrivals could be reduced to 4 if the A380 was utilised. My proposal would mean airlines like Virgin and BA jointly utilise and share aircraft. I know this would never happen(World peace would be easier), but to me it's a commercial no brainer. It would free slots at Heathrow, make economies for airlines and make the A380 a far more an attractive prospect. Lets be honest, the lady hasn't exactly set the World alight with sales. If it wasn't for Emirates the program would be in big trouble.
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Apr 24, 2014 15:02:07 GMT 1
Well between 08.30 & 09.30 this morning there were 7 arrivals from New York at Heathrow, served by a selection of 76s, 77s and 74s. Those seven arrivals could be reduced to 4 if the A380 was utilised. You have to consider the time of the day as well. Passenger arrival numbers are not constant and the A380 may be justified for peak times (also consider onward connections) but during others, you may not have the demand to fill it up. Airbus mentions this in their A380 marketing too.
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danteg
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Post by danteg on Apr 24, 2014 15:05:01 GMT 1
Sharing aircraft has happened before. In 1993 Northwest and KLM had at least one DC-10 painted in both airlines colours (front half Northwest & back half KLM)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines The Concorde was painted in the livery of BA on one side and Singapore Airlines on the other. au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130909150920AAeA36r
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Post by AOIspotter on Apr 24, 2014 15:17:41 GMT 1
Sorry, I do not understand this. Can you explain this concept better? Well between 08.30 & 09.30 this morning there were 7 arrivals from New York at Heathrow, served by a selection of 76s, 77s and 74s. Those seven arrivals could be reduced to 4 if the A380 was utilised. My proposal would mean airlines like Virgin and BA jointly utilise and share aircraft. I know this would never happen(World peace would be easier), but to me it's a commercial no brainer. It would free slots at Heathrow, make economies for airlines and make the A380 a far more an attractive prospect. Lets be honest, the lady hasn't exactly set the World alight with sales. If it wasn't for Emirates the program would be in big trouble. Your point of view looks really interesting and efficient trumpton, but I'm not confident that will happen anytime, unfortunately.. That could save the world some tonn of CO2, environmentally speaking, but I think commercial interests come first. Ciao! AOIspotter
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s543
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Post by s543 on Apr 24, 2014 18:12:45 GMT 1
We might still as I believe observe some drops of this idea - as the integration AA-BA on JFK-LHR progresses BA might come with more of A380 flights and so influence a bit AA
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