kronus
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Post by kronus on Nov 14, 2015 15:21:51 GMT 1
In my opinion free 12 slots from TAP a359 order will be prepared for Emirates a350 order next year.
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Post by Jkkw on Nov 14, 2015 15:30:07 GMT 1
AFAIK the first A350 previously intended for TAP was MSN90 (2017 delivery) and it will be interesting to see who will take up TAP's production slots I had a look at TAP's annual reports and they confirmed the A350s were planned for delivery from 2017 onwards with all 12 aircraft to be delivered over a 3 year period. Those slots will certainly help the current campaigns with Philippine Airlines, Garuda and Emirates coming to mind as airlines who are currently considering the A350 against the 787 (although EK's original A350s were only due for delivery in 2019 so maybe they won't be interested in 2017 slots). That got me thinking, assuming the slots were available, if an airline wanted to order some A350s, how fast could that airline take delivery of the aircraft considering factors such as the time it would take to choose the interior configuration and prepare the airline for a new fleet type(training of pilots and engineers etc.)?
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Nov 14, 2015 15:34:13 GMT 1
Or an existing customer takes the slots.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 14, 2015 15:41:59 GMT 1
Pilot training not much of a problem if you already operate A330s in your fleet !
I think IAG might be interested, they have big plans for Aer Lingus and Iberia, fleet modernisation and fuel savings.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Nov 14, 2015 18:44:56 GMT 1
In my opinion free 12 slots from TAP a359 order will be prepared for Emirates a350 order next year. Airbus has been aware of the order conversion for a long time - TAP had been clear about it, what we just saw was formalisation of a draft agreement. As manufacturers are always doing some 'overbooking', I am sure the former TAP slots already have been taken into account in production planning. As regards EK, I would bet Airbus kept the slots frozen when the previous EK order was cancelled, and used them again in its new bid. One reason I believe this is that we haven't seen many new A350 orders after the cancellation, as would probably have been the case if many open A350 slots had been suddenly created. Specifically, Airbus had to find other (earlier) slots to gain DL's order.
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Nov 14, 2015 22:02:02 GMT 1
I don't think these slots will go to EK, at least not directly.
EK apparently doesn't seem to want their aircraft before 2020. And note that the 787-10, which is the competing frame in the bid, doesn't go into service until after 2018, while these A350 slots open up in 2017 onwards.
So, it is possible that Airbus may bump other customers up the firing order and open 2020 slots for EK. Either that or the slots will go to a new customer who could very well use the new slots at short notice.
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Post by foreigner on Nov 15, 2015 1:17:32 GMT 1
I have a question regarding A350 assembly sequesnce. Once an aircraft is assembled, is it then painted, gets its engines attached and is then outfitted? are those 3 jobs always in this sequence? thanks
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Post by K on Nov 15, 2015 6:19:09 GMT 1
Probably for Chinese customer
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Nov 15, 2015 11:06:02 GMT 1
I have a question regarding A350 assembly sequesnce. Once an aircraft is assembled, is it then painted, gets its engines attached and is then outfitted? are those 3 jobs always in this sequence? thanks The following thread provides a lot of information about what you are asking. a380.boards.net/thread/1116/a350-final-assembly-reference-threadAt present, however, Airbus is not exactly acting according to plan, because all planes so far needed some rework after apparent completion. One reason for that need for rework is changes introduced by Airbus (to improve the aircraft) after parts were ordered from suppliers, maybe even after sub-assembly started on different production sites. Re-work creates some apparent disorganisation with frames sometimes going back to a stage they had already left. Airbus also had to create additional temporary working stations (inside tents). Member Nicodugers provided some insight into the present situation in the following thread. Please check his November 4th post. a380.boards.net/thread/1216/a350-900-msn37-sq4
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someone
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Post by someone on Nov 15, 2015 11:13:24 GMT 1
Won't it always be some frames that requires some sort of rework? From my understanding even the 737 and 32x lines sees this?
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