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Post by bmw801 on Jan 23, 2020 14:33:12 GMT 1
www.ladepeche.fr/2020/01/22/airbus-ouvrira-sa-nouvelle-usine-a321-en-2022-avec-500-emplois-a-la-clef,8678300.php try to paste the complete link (including the part after the komma) into your browser from what i understand from the article, they used the possible construction of the new A321 plant in their negotiation with the unions to get concessions on the increase of efficiency (read : automation) of the A320 line so that in the end the A320 line will go from a capacity of 15 to a capacity of 20. So the automation/modernisation that is mentioned is about the A320 line in addition to the new A321 line. all in all, an extra 590 people will be employed (in addition to the ones currently working on the A320 line and on the A380 line) I must say that I have the impression that airbus is doing the best they can not to give the impression that they increase capacity because of the 737MAX problems. They try not to announce a formal rate increase but are doing all they can to increase the production rate. kind regards carl Thanks for posting this carl! So if Ladepeche is right, after the installation of the new A321 line we will also see the modernisation of the old existing A320 line. That means Airbus will have a FAL capacity of around 80 A320 family aircraft . It would be also very interesting to know if the new A321 FAL will be capable to handle a potential A322!
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 23, 2020 15:43:38 GMT 1
The article from ladepeche is hardly understandable. So I want to disregard it for exact information.
The fact is, that the current two old FAL in TLS are the most work intensive least automated A320 FAL at Airbus. To bring them up to the current standard is not possible because of insufficient space. I even remember, that there was insufficient height for modernisation. They will put a new FAL in part of the decommissioned A380 production ares. That line will be able to make A321. If that is a copy of line 4 in XFW, it will be able to make 10 frames a month, A319/320/321 and future versions. I could imagine, that they will put up two of those lines and repurpose the old A320 lines. TLS does the outfitting of their A320 family frames. Moved their when XFW expanded their A320 family production. I assume going from outfitting 16 A320 to than 20 A320 family frames, including A321ACF will need additional space and workforce. Automating the two A320 FAL in TLS, was a problem with the French unions. Increasing capacity and work at the same time, will make it possible for the union to accept the change.
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Post by mtrunz on Jan 23, 2020 17:18:14 GMT 1
You know what could be cool? Having A320 Family Aircraft ferried to XFW for cabin outfitting again
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Post by philidor on Jan 23, 2020 17:54:31 GMT 1
The article from ladepeche is hardly understandable. So I want to disregard it for exact information. Well, now that I can read it (thank you carl and peter !) I find the story perfectly clear. Gil Bousquet is commenting the selection of Toulouse over Hambourg as the site for a new production line. He claims that the following factors were taken into account. "La direction de l’avionneur a pris en compte la compétitivité globale, le délai de mise en service, le coût d’investissement, la surface au sol et les ressources disponibles pour établir son choix". My attempt at translation : "the management took into account overall productivity, the lead time to entry into service, the (available) ground surface, and available ressources". As regards the modernisation of the existing line, Bousquet reports : "parallèlement, l’actuelle et unique chaîne A320 toulousaine en service depuis 1987 sera modernisée afin de la rendre plus efficace. Sa production devrait être portée de quinze à vingt appareils par mois". "Likewise, the present assembly line in Toulouse, which has been in service since 1967, will be modernised to make it more efficient and to increase its capacity from 15 per month to 20 per month". No specific time line is provided for that modernisation. Bousquet also states that Airbus intends to reach a yearly production of 63 A320 family aircraft next year, while ongoing studies are assessing a possible increase to 70 an even 73 per year during the present decade.
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Post by carl on Jan 23, 2020 20:26:58 GMT 1
"parallellement" in french means "in parallel", "at the same time" and not "likewise".
so there is a reference to the timeline...
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 23, 2020 23:19:02 GMT 1
The article from ladepeche is hardly understandable. So I want to disregard it for exact information. Well, now that I can read it (thank you carl and peter !) I find the story perfectly clear. Gil Bousquet is commenting the selection of Toulouse over Hambourg as the site for a new production line. He claims that the following factors were taken into account. "La direction de l’avionneur a pris en compte la compétitivité globale, le délai de mise en service, le coût d’investissement, la surface au sol et les ressources disponibles pour établir son choix". My attempt at translation : "the management took into account overall productivity, the lead time to entry into service, the (available) ground surface, and available ressources". As regards the modernisation of the existing line, Bousquet reports : "parallèlement, l’actuelle et unique chaîne A320 toulousaine en service depuis 1987 sera modernisée afin de la rendre plus efficace. Sa production devrait être portée de quinze à vingt appareils par mois". "Likewise, the present assembly line in Toulouse, which has been in service since 1967, will be modernised to make it more efficient and to increase its capacity from 15 per month to 20 per month". No specific time line is provided for that modernisation. Bousquet also states that Airbus intends to reach a yearly production of 63 A320 family aircraft next year, while ongoing studies are assessing a possible increase to 70 an even 73 per year during the present decade. Putting up two new lines (10 a month each) and closing down the old two (about 8 a month each) fits perfectly with the increase from 15 to 20 frames a month. I think it is only to not rile up the unions, that he does not talk about closing lines.
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Post by philidor on Jan 24, 2020 9:46:03 GMT 1
"parallellement" in french means "in parallel", "at the same time" and not "likewise". so there is a reference to the timeline... Not necessarily - translation can be a tricky undertaking ! 'In parallel' is indeed the first meaning, when you are talking about geometry. In common language the phrase may or may not imply the same timing, as it is often used as a connecting word of unprecise meaning. In this case, I don't think it means 'at the same time' at all (if the author had information, I'm sure he would have stated it clearly). That's why I translated it by 'likewise', but you may well read it otherwise. We may have more information about the modernisation timeline at the upcoming financial briefing, but stopping the old line before the new one has entered into service would not help ramping up production.
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Post by carl on Jan 25, 2020 8:52:31 GMT 1
are you not mistaking parallelement for pareillement?
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Post by philidor on Jan 26, 2020 10:24:50 GMT 1
are you not mistaking parallelement for pareillement? I hope I still know the basics of my native language ! I think in the discussed sentence 'parallèlement' is used as a synonym of 'de même', though I admit your reading is also possible.
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Post by carl on Jan 26, 2020 16:47:15 GMT 1
are you not mistaking parallelement for pareillement? I hope I still know the basics of my native language ! I think in the discussed sentence 'parallèlement' is used as a synonym of 'de même', though I admit your reading is also possible. Sorry Giving your perfect English, I did not know you were native french-speaking :-)
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