Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Mar 19, 2019 23:25:01 GMT 1
I'll add that there's a bit of irony to all this. Brazil was the only country that made it mandatory for its pilots to know about the MCAS AFAIK. It makes you wonder what the hell the signed up for when they decided to hand over 80% of Embraer to Boeing.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Mar 20, 2019 13:02:15 GMT 1
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Post by stealthmanbob on Mar 20, 2019 14:08:29 GMT 1
Wow a jump seat pilot saved the Lion Air MAX the day before the crash 😮
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Post by kevin5345179 on Mar 20, 2019 16:18:13 GMT 1
I'll add that there's a bit of irony to all this. Brazil was the only country that made it mandatory for its pilots to know about the MCAS AFAIK. It makes you wonder what the hell the signed up for when they decided to hand over 80% of Embraer to Boeing. effectively you join a company that control its gov which has strong influence over the world so why not ?
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Post by kevin5345179 on Mar 20, 2019 16:19:34 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Mar 21, 2019 0:35:40 GMT 1
I hope this means US is serious about this instead of a show ....
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Mar 21, 2019 18:03:55 GMT 1
This is the approach I expect regulatory bodies other than the FAA to take I don't expect Boeing to get an early or easy authorisation to fly the MAX again. The FAA will take whatever time and efforts are needed to review all proposed design changes. I expect the agency to be much tougher this time, especially since it may soon be under official investigation. Boeing may feel a different, less cosy atmosphere. The FAA cannot fully countradict its previous assessments, but it can be expected to grill Boeing on previously hidden design changes or on any characteristics not in keeping with certification documents. It will also make sure that the proposed software improvements are a sufficient fix to all problems highlighted by both crashes, even if this means upholding any authorisation until both investigations are sufficiently advanced. I also expect the agency to keep EASA and its Canadian counterpart fully informed of its findings and proposals. The last thing they want now is the USA to be the only major country that allows the MAX to fly again. The NTSB will likewise be closely involved in an effort to reach a consensus.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Mar 21, 2019 21:14:12 GMT 1
This is the approach I expect regulatory bodies other than the FAA to take I don't expect Boeing to get an early or easy authorisation to fly the MAX again. The FAA will take whatever time and efforts are needed to review all proposed design changes. I expect the agency to be much tougher this time, especially since it may soon be under official investigation. Boeing may feel a different, less cosy atmosphere. The FAA cannot fully countradict its previous assessments, but it can be expected to grill Boeing on previously hidden design changes or on any characteristics not in keeping with certification documents. It will also make sure that the proposed software improvements are a sufficient fix to all problems highlighted by both crashes, even if this means upholding any authorisation until both investigations are sufficiently advanced. I also expect the agency to keep EASA and its Canadian counterpart fully informed of its findings and proposals. The last thing they want now is the USA to be the only major country that allows the MAX to fly again. The NTSB will likewise be closely involved in an effort to reach a consensus. Agree - just do not forget the CAAC - they were the first "big" agency to ground it and in China is well over 30% of the MAXes - more than in the USA or Europe. We all do remember well how long it took them to certify the A350 !
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Post by FabienA380 on Mar 21, 2019 21:23:27 GMT 1
I don't quite see the story like that, to me both Boeing and FAA and finished, they will be disbanded both. FAA under criminal investigation will be cancelled and a new one will be formed, probably would be a 'behind the scene' authority acting behind EASA. Boeing won't recover from the huge financial penalties they will owe to both families of victims and all the operating airlines. Fixed or not the MAX is dead too, airlines and passengers won't be eager to operate and fly with it, I see airlines cancelling the remaining orders. Embraer will do everything they can to dissociate from Boeing, Boeing will be disbanded and a new manufacturer will take place at a smaller scale. Both MAX and 777X will be cancelled, USAF will cancel their order do and ask Boeing (well-justified-)financial compensations too. That's how I see it.
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Post by addasih on Mar 21, 2019 21:56:14 GMT 1
I don't quite see the story like that, to me both Boeing and FAA and finished, they will be disbanded both. FAA under criminal investigation will be cancelled and a new one will be formed, probably would be a 'behind the scene' authority acting behind EASA. Boeing won't recover from the huge financial penalties they will owe to both families of victims and all the operating airlines. Fixed or not the MAX is dead too, airlines and passengers won't be eager to operate and fly with it, I see airlines cancelling the remaining orders. Embraer will do everything they can to dissociate from Boeing, Boeing will be disbanded and a new manufacturer will take place at a smaller scale. Both MAX and 777X will be cancelled, USAF will cancel their order do and ask Boeing (well-justified-)financial compensations too. That's how I see it. Won’t happened with Trump in the office. At least this what I see.
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