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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 21, 2020 20:24:42 GMT 1
Was gonna say the same philidor was being too optimistic for the entire situation. Technically speaking, FAA approve VCV for additional 737MAX storage (after production pause), but this just doesn't make much sense for them to run at high rate to begin with as deliver those 400 planes is the biggest logistic issue they need to concentrate on. Don't forget, even Boeing now recommend simulator training. The previous projection that airlines are willing to accept planes is probably based on the assumption that simulator training is not required immediately. The timeline for airlines start to accept planes will push back even more. Another point to keep in mind that FAA is taking authority back to certify each plane. Depending on FAA resources, this may even delay the production start. I'm guessing we should see certification before Q3 and production restart some period after certification. And what will happen if some hardware changes are needed ! And I am 99% sure they will be needed - so all will take muuuuuuch longer. And we have not heard a single word about a major problem - the tiny trimming wheel - no software will ever solve this. So there is time for the return. To believe it will be in June is total nonsense. Also do not forget we hear about some new issue at least once a month....... But maybe I am too pessimistic opposed to Philidor now this makes my estimate worry
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shpeex
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Post by shpeex on Jan 21, 2020 20:42:01 GMT 1
Trading of Boeing shares has been suspended after falling 5% amid news that problems with the 737 MAX will be resolved no earlier than mid-summer 2020.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 21, 2020 21:01:41 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 22, 2020 2:29:19 GMT 1
worst anticipation I've seen to date on production halt
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Post by FabienA380 on Jan 22, 2020 6:11:47 GMT 1
I'm happy I'm not the only one then
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Post by fanairbus on Jan 22, 2020 9:24:12 GMT 1
Boeing now expects mid-year certification of 737 Max By Jon Hemmerdinger21 January 2020 www.flightglobal.com/boeing-now-expects-mid-year-certification-of-737-max/136259.articleBoeing now expects the Federal Aviation Administration will certificate the 737 Max in the middle of 2020, marking another delay to the aircraft’s flight approval, which some industry observers had expected would come early this year. “We are informing our customers and suppliers that we are currently estimating that the un-grounding of the 737 Max will begin during mid-2020,” Boeing says in a 21 January statement. “This estimate is informed by our experience to date with the certification process.”
Icelandair seems to have planned nicely though:
Icelandair expects minimal impact from new 737 Max delay By Pilar Wolfsteller22 January 2020 www.flightglobal.com/airlines/icelandair-expects-minimal-impact-from-new-737-max-delay/136267.article
Icelandair says that it has made contingency plans so that the renewed delay of the Boeing 737 Max’s return to service will have minimal impact on its summer 2020 schedule and its financial bottom line. The airline had previously expected the aircraft to re-enter service in May 2020. “In the light of recent news from Boeing on the ongoing process in cooperation with international aviation authorities of returning the Boeing 737-MAX aircraft safely back to service, Icelandair does not expect the Max in operation within its route network during the high season of next summer,” Icelandair says in a statement on 21 January.
Boeing said earlier on Tuesday that it now expects the Federal Aviation Administration will re-certificate the 737 Max in the middle of 2020. The company’s latest projection “accounts for the rigorous scrutiny that regulatory authorities are rightly applying at every step of their review of the 737 Max’s flight control system, and the Joint Operations Evaluation Board process, which determines pilot training requirements,” the Chicago-based company said.
The Icelandic carrier adds that it had already entered into leasing agreements for three 737-800 aircraft, and it will keep more 757 aircraft in operation than it had originally planned. Currently, the airline operates 27 757 aircraft and four 767s, Cirium fleets data show. It has six 737 Max jets, a mix of Max 8s and 9s, in storage and ten more on order.
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Post by fanairbus on Jan 22, 2020 9:42:58 GMT 1
FAA and IATA optimistic on reception of 737 Max review By Cirium22 January 2020 www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/faa-and-iata-optimistic-on-reception-of-737-max-review/136265.article'Regulatory officials are optimistic that safety authorities in Europe and other regions are confident in the US Federal Aviation Administration’s safety review process to return Boeing 737 Max aircraft to service. Regulators outside the USA have vowed they will not rely on FAA approval and conduct their own reviews as they determine when to return Max aircraft to service, including the European Aviation Safety Agency, which is still coordinating with FAA during the process. The FAA’s executive director of international affairs Chris Rocheleau tells Cirium that the multinational Joint Authorities Technical Review (JATR) is “reassured” that the agency is conducting a thorough safety review.'
I still can't get to grips with a spokesperson for one regulatory authority having 'permission' to say such things. Unless he truly had permission there is every potential for other authorities separately to be seen to be reviewing thoroughly (and hence delaying re-entry) I would surmise. Certainly if I were employed in the CAA I wouldn't be wanting to accept ANYTHING coming our of this without independent checking unless my JATR colleagues reassured ME...and I don't like THIS either!
'The JATR team in October put forward 12 recommendations to improve on FAA safety certification following the Max crashes. These included a call to boost oversight of a controversial process that delegates engineering data approvals to companies during certification called the Organisation Designation Authorisation. A committee established by the US Department of Transportation, however, published a report on 16 January supporting that delegation process and stating that Boeing properly followed FAA processes when approving the 737 Max. Speaking during a discussion on 21 January hosted by the International Aviation Club of Washington DC, the committee’s co-chair Lee Moak, a former president of the Air Line Pilots Association, said there was room for improvement but defended the need for the FAA’s delegation process.'
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Post by philidor on Jan 22, 2020 11:20:12 GMT 1
interesting that they gave an English lecture Well, such a 'forward-looking statements' paragraph is now included in all financial communications to make sure shareholders cannot sue the company or its management for false forecasts. It's plain stupid, but unsurprisingly lawyers like such language ...
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Post by s543 on Jan 22, 2020 18:14:23 GMT 1
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Post by kevin5345179 on Jan 22, 2020 22:30:28 GMT 1
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