noistar
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Post by noistar on Dec 16, 2013 2:20:47 GMT 1
Many thanks for your analysis noistar, it is very interesting!! It seems that now only the cockpit part is of the lighter green... no clue as to why though... Fabien I think it's a conspiracy by Airbus. I'm just glad the A380 isn't turning pink (Only joking Airbus )
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Dec 16, 2013 8:06:22 GMT 1
I'm not sure that Airbus has primer rules other than "green". If it's up to the suppliers, no surprise that we see changes.
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Dec 16, 2013 10:45:57 GMT 1
I'm not sure that Airbus has primer rules other than "green". If it's up to the suppliers, no surprise that we see changes. Rather than 'what colour shall we paint it', I was wondering if there are changes to manufacturing methods, or even materials which were reflected in the new colours we see. The old way seemed to last for a long while. If it's an up-to-me scenario, it's funny how the fuselage sections appear to be the same colour. As I mentioned, now it seems to be 'can't see the join'. If the sections are made the same way, by the same manufacturers in the same locations, why have they all changed simultaneously to what appears to be an identical shade of green? One imagines Airbus have more pressing concerns than mandating the colour of production sections. I still wonder if it's more than 'pass me any tin of green paint'. Could be right though. The simplest answers are often the best.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Dec 16, 2013 16:10:35 GMT 1
I would believe just an old "keg" was empty and a new one was brought in. Looking at BOEING planes the colors are also changing. By the way is it known how long it takes since the first piece of material is purchased in one of the subcontractors sites until the bird flies to the customer ? The assembly, FAL, outfitting etc. is well documented here, but the origins not so.
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Post by peter on Dec 16, 2013 16:23:08 GMT 1
I think it's a conspiracy by Airbus. I'm just glad the A380 isn't turning pink Wait 'till Delta decides to order the A380, then you will see no not link, PINK
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Dec 16, 2013 17:02:23 GMT 1
I would believe just an old "keg" was empty and a new one was brought in. Looking at BOEING planes the colors are also changing. By the way is it known how long it takes since the first piece of material is purchased in one of the subcontractors sites until the bird flies to the customer ? The assembly, FAL, outfitting etc. is well documented here, but the origins not so. I don't know if this helps. I seemed to remember the first BA frame was newsworthy www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-starts-a380-build
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s543
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Post by s543 on Dec 16, 2013 21:55:41 GMT 1
I would believe just an old "keg" was empty and a new one was brought in. Looking at BOEING planes the colors are also changing. By the way is it known how long it takes since the first piece of material is purchased in one of the subcontractors sites until the bird flies to the customer ? The assembly, FAL, outfitting etc. is well documented here, but the origins not so. I don't know if this helps. I seemed to remember the first BA frame was newsworthy www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-starts-a380-buildWell the article describes what we here well know. We know the "assembly" started about 14 month prior delivery - this is the part well researched and documented on this site. What I would find interesting is the time before the convoy and or other sub-deliveries take off and real start of the production i.e. purchasing Al, starting the production of basic elements later completed to lets say wing...., start of avionics production etc. I would not be surprised if it was well over 2 years before the convoy takes off. I started to think while there was discussion about 2015,2016 production, it is probably true that most of the parts are already somewhere in the process.
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Dec 17, 2013 1:24:37 GMT 1
Well the article describes what we here well know. We know the "assembly" started about 14 month prior delivery - this is the part well researched and documented on this site. What I would find interesting is the time before the convoy and or other sub-deliveries take off and real start of the production i.e. purchasing Al, starting the production of basic elements later completed to lets say wing...., start of avionics production etc. I would not be surprised if it was well over 2 years before the convoy takes off. I started to think while there was discussion about 2015,2016 production, it is probably true that most of the parts are already somewhere in the process. Would anyone have any idea of what is the longest 'long lead' assembly for the A380, or any plane come to that. And I suppose it could be that said item is one of many of the same - I don't know, say 10,000 rivets, so actual allocation of say 1000 to a frame may be problematic. Going way off topic, battleships were constrained by the manufacture of armour and armament. If the funnel of Toulouse wasn't there, what would be holding construction back?
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Post by noistar on Dec 19, 2013 15:33:52 GMT 1
Are there pictures of the tail fins ARRIVING at Hamburg.
I assume they are Belugaed in from Spain as plain items, before entering the paint shop in Hamburg (to ensure the tail matches the painted plane I assume).
We see many, welcome, pictures of the painted fins being loaded at Hamburg/unloaded at Toulouse, but I haven't seen any plain ones.
Are they produced at a similar rate to the rest of the plane? Presumably the wings are a more complex item to manufacture than the tail. My enthusiasm and ignorance on display again.
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Linie 9
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Post by Linie 9 on Dec 19, 2013 16:07:36 GMT 1
All(!) Airbus tail fins are produced in Stade - about 30km away from Finkenwerder. They arrive there by truck.
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