henge
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Post by henge on May 21, 2014 10:25:10 GMT 1
Wow! philidor, 1,500 posts! You just got DELIVERED!!! Congratulations! Airbus certainly wants the Amedeo deal to succeed, but I get the feeling that this is just a very risky enterprise of some people (rogue Doricians) betting on a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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trumpton
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Post by trumpton on May 21, 2014 12:07:12 GMT 1
It all sounds a bit like an ex lovers tiff. I would also like to think that Airbus are savvy enough to know who they are dealing with.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 21, 2014 12:19:43 GMT 1
Wow! philidor, 1,500 posts! You just got DELIVERED!!! Congratulations! Thank you, henge, I had not noticed ! I am now looking forward to performing my first revenue flight !
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 21, 2014 13:24:53 GMT 1
Airbus certainly wants the Amedeo deal to succeed, but I get the feeling that this is just a very risky enterprise of some people (rogue Doricians) betting on a self-fulfilling prophecy. I am more optimistic, since this project has been designed with Airbus' support. Many airlines might be reluctant to take the A380 resale value risk. A lessor would do that, and this might help new operators to come forward, or existing operators to expand their fleet. If there was no market, would Airbus and Amedeo have gone all that way to a falure ? I hope Farnborough will shed some light on this issue ...
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Post by peter on May 21, 2014 13:49:41 GMT 1
There is at least one who will want the "second-hand" frames: Ryanair
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s543
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Post by s543 on May 21, 2014 16:37:10 GMT 1
Ryanair is not the one how funny it would be. I still believe DELTA is the one - and maybe THY.
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trumpton
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Post by trumpton on May 21, 2014 17:27:16 GMT 1
Ryanair is not the one how funny it would be. I still believe DELTA is the one - and maybe THY. Delta have always been conservative when it comes to purchasing. Maybe now they own 48% of Virgin Atlantic they might become a bit more adventurous. Put all that to one side. It would be nice if 1 American carrier ordered the lady of the skies!
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 23, 2014 21:16:21 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Jun 4, 2014 23:16:55 GMT 1
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jun 5, 2014 0:24:08 GMT 1
This chicken-and-egg situation is the usual lessor's conundrum : to nail lease contracts, they must offer firm rates and early delivery positions, since this is one of the expected advantages when dealing with a lessor. Before seriously hunting, lessors must therefore sign a firm - but speculative - aircraft purchase contract. They need a lot of flexibility (right to differ deliveries, etc ..), though, in case negociations are difficult.
Where the A380 is concerned, business must be particularly difficult because few airlines are potentially interested. I would therefore expect Amedeo to have negociated with Airbus an extremely flexible purchase contract.
I believe however that Amedeo had a lot of positive commercial contacts - and probably a number of MOUs - before committing to a purchase.
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