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Post by someone on Jul 5, 2014 10:26:19 GMT 1
June figuresDelta; 15 A321 ceo Air New Zealand; 10 A320neo, 3 A321neo Synergy Aerospace (parent company of Avianca); 12 A320ceo Aerospace International Group; 7 A321ceo, 6 A320ceo Undisclosed; 4 A319neo, 16 A320neo, 10 A320ceo, 20 A321ceo, 30 A321neo Another Undisclosed customer; 70 A320neo Although only 4, a order for the A319neo is a rare occurence |
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Post by s543 on Jul 5, 2014 10:34:58 GMT 1
Although only 4, a order for the A319neo is a rare occurence Right - there is now only 90 outstanding orders of ALL A319 regardless if CEO or NEO. I just wonder how many of those are the NEO and if we will at all see the NEO ? |
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Post by Jkkw on Jul 5, 2014 11:33:31 GMT 1
Although only 4, a order for the A319neo is a rare occurence Right - there is now only 90 outstanding orders of ALL A319 regardless if CEO or NEO. I just wonder how many of those are the NEO and if we will at all see the NEO ? I'm surprised with that number! I never realised how small the backlog had become. Saying that, I don't think Amerian's full order is in the spreadsheet, rather they are added as new orders a few months before delivery. Currently, there are 49 A319neos on order, 19 for Avianca/Taca, 18 for Frontier, and 12 for unidentified customers (including the order for 4 revealed yesterday). |
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Post by s543 on Jul 5, 2014 17:15:52 GMT 1
The American 319 orders are still somewhere in the books - on the leasing companies or on as the 320 being changed... Still it is a mess-mystery we can not clear completely.
Anyway 49 is not much - that is for sure. The question if it is worth while to do the certification and all the required procedures for 49 frames only - OK some more orders will come that is for sure, but ?
I do believe that with 737-700 or MAX7 is the situation similar. Type difference 800x700x900 is not on their web, so hard to guess but looking at deliveries the small interest in this size of a plane is even more obvious or pronounced than with AB.
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Post by XWB on Jul 7, 2014 14:06:17 GMT 1
I do believe that with 737-700 or MAX7 is the situation similar. Type difference 800x700x900 is not on their web, so hard to guess but looking at deliveries the small interest in this size of a plane is even more obvious or pronounced than with AB. You have to look under the "Unfilled Orders" section. Boeing has 113 737-700 aircraft in backlog.  |
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Post by s543 on Jul 7, 2014 14:42:11 GMT 1
XWB - thank for clarification - but only NG frames are clear - structure of MAX orders is still in the mud.  |
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Post by XWB on Jul 7, 2014 14:46:06 GMT 1
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Post by s543 on Jul 7, 2014 15:39:32 GMT 1
Interesting.
Thank you for providing this link.
So there are only 2 customers for MAX7 - Southwest and Westjet. That is it.
The question still remains if and when we will see the smallest members of the families.
Also the sales of the other competitors nearing this size but still smaller and considerably cheaper - CS300 and E195 does not look too "stellar".
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Post by XWB on Jul 7, 2014 15:46:44 GMT 1
Hard to tell. The MAX-7 EIS is still 5 years away (2019) so a lot can happen in the coming years. It's possible we might see some conversions to the larger MAX-8.
The first A319neo is MSN 6464 and should enter final assembly around November/December 2014. If Airbus wants to cancel it, they will have to make a quick decision.
That said, certification costs for the smallest derivatives are rather low.
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Post by quidam on Jul 7, 2014 16:11:55 GMT 1
That said, certification costs for the smallest derivatives are rather low. That is the whole point and the reason why both 737-7MAX and 319NEO would IMHO eventually be build. With those small cost both OEMs can cover additional markets - BBJ/ACJ, long thin missions, hot and high airports etc. All that while keeping Bombardier in check. |
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