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Post by someone on Oct 14, 2016 11:42:48 GMT 1
The celebration of Airbus' 10 000th delivery (A359 MSN 54 to SQ) confirms Bregier is the biggest loser in Airbus' recent reshuffle. Up to the recent changes, such a celebration would have been led by him, not by Enders. After JL's retirement, Enders will be the only Airbus public figure left. I don't think this is a change for the better. It doesn't confirm anything. Getting a less public role, doesn't necessery mean you lose out..... |
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Post by XWB on Oct 14, 2016 12:12:12 GMT 1
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Post by fanairbus on Oct 15, 2016 8:27:50 GMT 1
Fabrice Bregier's public face has always been a good one in my eyes. I would see it to be a backward step if Airbus lost him and the text does say that he maintains his role at the top of Airbus Commercial, just has a different title with more central EADS contact. As long as he delegates that proportion of EADS time needed to capable managers beneath him, I would be hopeful that he and Enders (again he always comes across well and seems to have driven positive change at Airbus) can work together successfully and cordially and that when one leaves/retires, the other continues and himself too has a succession plan in hand. I don't feel as pessimistic but there again I may be missing realistic!
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Post by philidor on Oct 15, 2016 8:36:44 GMT 1
I hope you are right, fanairbus !
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Post by mjoelnir on Oct 15, 2016 13:48:50 GMT 1
I do not see this losing out of Fabrice Bregier. Fabrice was CEO of Airbus Commercial Aircraft. That did not make him independent of Tom Enders, him being the CEO of the Airbus Group. Is it really better and more influential to be a CEO in a part than COO in the whole? Fabrice is still number 2 in the Airbus organisation.
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Post by philidor on Oct 15, 2016 14:43:12 GMT 1
Is it really better and more influential to be a CEO in a part than COO in the whole? Fabrice is still number 2 in the Airbus organisation. In most groups, the CEO of the main subsidiary enjoys a degree of autonomy. In the Airbus group, where products other than commercial airplanes are or have been troubled children (i. e. A400M, more recently helicopters), Bregier's autonomy was unusually large, and he enjoyed the most rewarding job. His previous position could be described as no less important than Enders'. Corporate relationships are power struggles. Both men have been fighting for some time, and the outcome strikes the end of Bregier's autonomy. It is definitely Enders' victory over him. One particular consequence of the outcome is that Enders will certainly 'delegate' to Bregier most of the difficult helicopter and defense issues, and might be tempted to make him responsible for any upcoming problem. |
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Post by mjoelnir on Oct 15, 2016 15:49:18 GMT 1
Is it really better and more influential to be a CEO in a part than COO in the whole? Fabrice is still number 2 in the Airbus organisation. In most groups, the CEO of the main subsidiary enjoys a degree of autonomy. In the Airbus group, where products other than commercial airplanes are or have been troubled children (i. e. A400M, more recently helicopters), Bregier's autonomy was unusually large, and he enjoyed the most rewarding job. His previous position could be described as no less important than Enders'. Corporate relationships are power struggles. Both men have been fighting for some time, and the outcome strikes the end of Bregier's autonomy. It is definitely Enders' victory over him. One particular consequence of the outcome is that Enders will certainly 'delegate' to Bregier most of the difficult helicopter and defense issues, and might be tempted to make him responsible for any upcoming problem. A lot of speculation. Airbus Commercial aircraft was a 100% daughter of Airbus Group. As the CEO of the group Tom Enders was the one Fabrice had to report to, no way there were equal before this change. As Tom Enders does a lot of work outside of but related to Airbus, one can expect Fabrice to take over the day to day running of the Airbus Group from Tom, additional to the focus on Commercial Airplanes. OK, some speculation from me. |
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Post by philidor on Oct 15, 2016 16:14:00 GMT 1
That story has been told by several reputable news organisation, especially the main French economic newspapers, which are usually well-informed about what happens behind the scene at Airbus. One of these papers even explained that Enders now is going to be the first Airbus leader to have full control of the group. If you believe that any of Enders' predecessors, or Enders himself before now, was in full control, then you have no idea how the group worked.
You don't have to believe with me, though. I noticed you always have a very high degree of trust in your own assertions.
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Post by mjoelnir on Oct 15, 2016 22:18:54 GMT 1
That story has been told by several reputable news organisation, especially the main French economic newspapers, which are usually well-informed about what happens behind the scene at Airbus. One of these papers even explained that Enders now is going to be the first Airbus leader to have full control of the group. If you believe that any of Enders' predecessors, or Enders himself before now, was in full control, then you have no idea how the group worked. You don't have to believe with me, though. I noticed you always have a very high degree of trust in your own assertions. Especially a french newspaper commenting this way would make it suspect to me, as there in France it has not been acceptable to have a German, Tom Enders, on top of Airbus. I do not understand how Tom Enders, the CEO of Airbus Group was not top dog before this change. |
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Post by philidor on Oct 15, 2016 23:10:55 GMT 1
Tom Enders is probably in higher regard in France than in Germany, where he was criticized for notoriously refusing to yield to German government pressures.
As to your comtempt of the sources I quoted, I am fully aware that you have a very high opinion of yourself, and usually dismiss any dissenting assertion, even when it is well-informed.
So far as I am concerned, this unpleasant discussion is over.
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