XWB
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Post by XWB on Nov 14, 2017 13:54:59 GMT 1
I told you before that moving sales from Bregier to Enders was evidence of severe infighting. We may be seeing some consequences ... From where I sit, it doesn't sound like infighting. From the fraud investigation we learned that Enders is the one that triggered the investigation in the first place. That sounds like Enders wants to clean the company, something everyone should enjoy, and taking (temporary) control of sales would be the result of that. |
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Post by philidor on Nov 14, 2017 17:38:18 GMT 1
From where I sit, it doesn't sound like infighting. From the fraud investigation we learned that Enders is the one that triggered the investigation in the first place. That sounds like Enders wants to clean the company, something everyone should enjoy, and taking (temporary) control of sales would be the result of that. That view seems to be a tad naive. Public posturing tells nothing about actual intentions. Of course, Enders tries to avoid being the fall man (if ever one is needed). I don't believe for a second, though, that he was not fully aware of the details of all major commercial initiatives, especially in the military field. Infighting has been obvious for more than one year. With Leahy, the sales force had a respected, inspiring, charismatic leader who was giving them clear directions, who got along with Bregier and who could protect them when necessary. Now they lack directions, they often don't know what to say to their customers, they complain that they are spending a lot of time with bureaucratic requests from other services instead of trying to win new business. These issues are very serious. I don't know whether Enders can address them quickly, but I have some doubts. The only step I am aware of is the decision to keep Leahy a little longer. |
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Post by XWB on Nov 14, 2017 17:46:37 GMT 1
That view seems to be a tad naive. Public posturing tells nothing about actual intentions. Of course, Enders tries to avoid being the fall man (if ever one is needed). I don't believe for a second, though, that he was not fully aware of the details of all major commercial initiatives, especially in the military field. Whatever changed his mind, he triggered the investigation and it's good that people like Enders try to clean the company to make it more healthy. We should encourage this move. Fraud is not a good thing. |
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Post by philidor on Nov 14, 2017 18:02:58 GMT 1
Whatever changed his mind, he triggered the investigation and it's good that people like Enders try to clean the company to make it more healthy. We should encourage this move. Fraud is not a good thing. Well, you are painting a corporate leader as a white knight standing for ethics ... That's what some movies show, not how business works. He is just trying to keep his position, hoping someone else will be the scape goat. |
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Post by XWB on Nov 15, 2017 11:12:53 GMT 1
Of course he wants to keep his position. But in the process of doing so, he clearing out the company. Bregier on the other hand is doing nothing about the fraud within Airbus. If anyone needs to stay, Enders might be the right guy.
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Post by philidor on Nov 15, 2017 11:22:01 GMT 1
Of course he wants to keep his position. But in the process of doing so, he clearing out the company. Bregier on the other hand is doing nothing about the fraud within Airbus. If anyone needs to stay, Enders might be the right guy. Well, its your opinion. Bregier remains silent, as would be expected on such matters from a second-in-command. I don't see how you can second-guess his views. Are you aware that the deals that seem to be questioned were 'engineered' many years ago by another executive (not Leahy), whose name is well-known inside Airbus ? |
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Post by XWB on Nov 15, 2017 11:24:12 GMT 1
Well, its your opinion. Bregier remains silent, as would be expected on such matters from a second-in-command. I don't see how you can second-guess his views. Well, we do know the French sales division is under fire, and Bregier screwed up production ramp-up of the A350 and A320neo. So there are (valid) reasons to get him out of the door. |
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Post by philidor on Nov 15, 2017 11:42:29 GMT 1
I just added a complement to the post you commented on. What you call the 'French sales division' seems to be a former sales unit, particularly (maybe not exclusively) focused on military sales, that used to be headed by another executive and was never overseen by Bregier.
Your seem determined to make Bregier personnally responsible for anything that did not work at Airbus. I doubt even Enders would paint the story with those colours, since the obvious question would be whether he was doing anything about it himself.
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Post by airboche on Nov 15, 2017 11:55:38 GMT 1
Airbus needs to end this internal fighting and move on. There is no use in going back to separate national lobby groups and in european governments fiddling around with business decisions.
The whole trouble might even be a higher level problem of Merkel and Macron not workig together as good as they should.
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Post by XWB on Nov 15, 2017 11:56:34 GMT 1
I just added a complement to the post you commented on. What you call the 'French sales division' seems to be a former sales unit, particularly (maybe not exclusively) focused on military sales, that used to be headed by another executive and was never overseen by Bregier. According to Reuters, things are messy in the commercial sales departement as well. And according to another French source, a lot of Airbus commercial sales are now on hold. They are clearly trying to get rid of each other. Enders, being more powerful than Bregier and having full support of the Board, seem to be having the best chance. In your opinion, who should leave the company, knowing this power struggle cannot continue forever? |
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