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Post by FabienA380 on Oct 8, 2017 22:19:58 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 4, 2017 8:13:02 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 6, 2017 9:28:46 GMT 1
a380.boards.net/post/102075/thread Let's hope.......  It makes sense for all parties to keep the line going at 1 frame per month, which would keep the A380 at break even going forward. My guess is that the order will be for 25 firm orders and 25 options for deliveries stretching out to 2028 as the currently ordered frames have deliveries stretching out to 2024. I wouldn't be surprised if an A350 order for 25 frames plus 25 options was also announced in conjunction with the A380 order. I see them also firming up some 777X options and a 737MAX follow on order for FlyDubai in order to keep Boeing placated.
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 12, 2017 11:48:13 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 12, 2017 11:53:19 GMT 1
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 12, 2017 11:54:30 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Nov 12, 2017 16:02:43 GMT 1
Well, congrats to Boeing and EK. The 787-10 was always the favourite aircraft to win the EK regional order. The size of the deal, however, is not as large as expected : EK's cancelled A350 order was for 70 planes (50 A359s and 20 initial specifications A350-1000s), so that 40 appears comparatively small.
Moreover, I am intrigued by the following sentence from Boeing's release.
"Some of these (aircraft) will be replacements so that we maintain a young and efficient fleet, and others will power our future network growth".
The aircraft were initially intended to serve regional routes, and the 78X is not, indeed, a very long range aircraft. So, which aircraft are they supposed to replace ? As EK's fleet now includes only A380s and 77Ws, the 78X must replace some 77W on comparatively short routes for this aircraft type. Again, an order for 40 seems to fall short.
If part of the order is for replacement of 77Ws, a type with already selected replacements in EK's fleet (778 and 779), then we have to wonder whether part of the 78X order is a conversion from these existing orders - actually, the word 'new' is not used in Boeing's release. A conversion would actually account for the comparatively small size of the order, and for the delivery timeline (from 2022).
Another possibility is that this is only the first part of a split order. Whether the second part will be for the same type or for the rival A350 is for anyone to guess. Perhaps only EK knows.
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Post by kevin5345179 on Nov 12, 2017 16:10:49 GMT 1
Well, congrats to Boeing and EK. The 787-10 was always the favourite aircraft to win the EK regional order. The size of the deal, however, is not as large as expected : EK's cancelled A350 order was for 70 planes (50 A359s and 20 initial specifications A350-1000s), so that 40 appears comparatively small. Moreover, I am intrigued by the following sentence from Boeing's release. "Some of these (aircraft) will be replacements so that we maintain a young and efficient fleet, and others will power our future network growth". The aircraft were initially intended to serve regional routes, and the 78J is not, indeed, a very long range aircraft. So, which aircraft are they supposed to replace ? As EK's fleet now includes only A380s and 77Ws, the 78J must replace some 77W on comparatively short routes for this aircraft type. Again, an order for 40 seems to fall short. If part of the order is for replacement of 77Ws, a type with already selected replacements in EK's fleet (778 and 779), then we have to wonder whether part of the 78J order is a conversion from these existing orders - actually, the word 'new' is not used in Boeing's release. A conversion would actually account for the comparatively small size of the order, and for the delivery timeline (from 2022). Another possibility is that this is only the first part of a split order. Whether the second part will be for the same type or for the rival A350 is for anyone to guess. Perhaps only EK knows. BTW suppose to be 78X en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICAO_aircraft_type_designators |
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Post by kevin5345179 on Nov 12, 2017 16:16:05 GMT 1
Well, congrats to Boeing and EK. The 787-10 was always the favourite aircraft to win the EK regional order. The size of the deal, however, is not as large as expected : EK's cancelled A350 order was for 70 planes (50 A359s and 20 initial specifications A350-1000s), so that 40 appears comparatively small. Moreover, I am intrigued by the following sentence from Boeing's release. "Some of these (aircraft) will be replacements so that we maintain a young and efficient fleet, and others will power our future network growth". The aircraft were initially intended to serve regional routes, and the 78J is not, indeed, a very long range aircraft. So, which aircraft are they supposed to replace ? As EK's fleet now includes only A380s and 77Ws, the 78J must replace some 77W on comparatively short routes for this aircraft type. Again, an order for 40 seems to fall short. If part of the order is for replacement of 77Ws, a type with already selected replacements in EK's fleet (778 and 779), then we have to wonder whether part of the 78J order is a conversion from these existing orders - actually, the word 'new' is not used in Boeing's release. A conversion would actually account for the comparatively small size of the order, and for the delivery timeline (from 2022). Another possibility is that this is only the first part of a split order. Whether the second part will be for the same type or for the rival A350 is for anyone to guess. Perhaps only EK knows. Was wondering about the same thing as the delivery time frame for both 778 and 78X all started 2022 ....... In addition, the 2-seat capacity is only 30 seats difference and the order number are more or less identical (35 vs 40) |
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Post by philidor on Nov 12, 2017 16:20:48 GMT 1
You are right ! I corrected from 78J to 78X in my above post. |
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