mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Aug 24, 2018 9:54:07 GMT 1
It was shown on xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/, of course skyliner and the flight on fr24. It can of course be that both the former trusted fr24, but usually the information on skyliner is long before the delivery flight happens and is shown on fr24. Often skyliner can be wrong with the date. Posting a picture of an A330 is hardly proof, that a delivery of a A320 did not happen. Yes i do believe you that there was a confusion between the delivery flight of an A320 with the delivery flight of an A330, but it would still be nice to know how this information came to be. First off, like what I mentioned before in TSN A320 FAL thread, xfw-spotter.blogspot.com is never a reliable source in terms of test flights and deliveries from TSN. Their poor accuracy about frame information doesn't deserve a spot on here. I hope we don't use this website as a "Source" for anything happening in TSN anymore. Then the reason I had this post a380.boards.net/post/116793/thread in the China Eastern A320neo thread was because I checked the FR24 replay for all the flights out of TSN on the day of Aug 17 and found only one delivery flight to PVG with the hex code 781462. With the photo evidence of B-300P I was able to conclude that delivery flight is indeed an A330, B-300P. If you want to prove a delivery flight DID happen. Go to FR24 and used their fantastic flight replay feature and post a link on here to prove to us that the delivery ACTUALLY happened instead of saying something like "according to multiple source". So you do can guaranty that FR24 never ever makes a mistake and actually does not show a flight? On other countries I often have a look at the national aircraft registry, but that does not work with China. I have had at least one frame that was registered and started flying and I never found a delivery flight on FR24. I agree that is not the case here. The strangest think in this case is your aggressive reaction answering a simple question. |
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Post by ca350 on Aug 24, 2018 17:51:21 GMT 1
So you do can guaranty that FR24 never ever makes a mistake and actually does not show a flight? On other countries I often have a look at the national aircraft registry, but that does not work with China. I have had at least one frame that was registered and started flying and I never found a delivery flight on FR24. I agree that is not the case here. The strangest think in this case is your aggressive reaction answering a simple question. I sincerely apologize for using aggressive words. No I can not. But what I was saying is FR24 is a way to prove a delivery flight happened. I understand, and that's why us forum members have to work together to trace details for Chinese deliveries right? You brought up in this post that you only read confusion here (A380 board) with the delivery of B-1033 and B-300P. Of course, we are the only forum that tracked global Airbus delivery to such details. What annoyed me was you repeatedly discredit mine and some other posters' claim that B-1033 was not delivered but failed to provide any concrete evidence (pictures) of it being delivered other than claiming some unofficial sources like skyliner. In my opinion, to prove a delivery flight happened. You need to either: post a FR24 link of the delivery flight, or: provide a picture of the airframe with final registration visible or a combination of both. (That's what I tried to do if I can find them). |
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Post by mjoelnir on Aug 24, 2018 20:30:02 GMT 1
So you do can guaranty that FR24 never ever makes a mistake and actually does not show a flight? On other countries I often have a look at the national aircraft registry, but that does not work with China. I have had at least one frame that was registered and started flying and I never found a delivery flight on FR24. I agree that is not the case here. The strangest think in this case is your aggressive reaction answering a simple question. I sincerely apologize for using aggressive words. No I can not. But what I was saying is FR24 is a way to prove a delivery flight happened. I understand, and that's why us forum members have to work together to trace details for Chinese deliveries right? You brought up in this post that you only read confusion here (A380 board) with the delivery of B-1033 and B-300P. Of course, we are the only forum that tracked global Airbus delivery to such details. What annoyed me was you repeatedly discredit mine and some other posters' claim that B-1033 was not delivered but failed to provide any concrete evidence (pictures) of it being delivered other than claiming some unofficial sources like skyliner. In my opinion, to prove a delivery flight happened. You need to either: post a FR24 link of the delivery flight, or: provide a picture of the airframe with final registration visible or a combination of both. (That's what I tried to do if I can find them). I did not discredit your findings, I changed the list of delivered A320 neo, but I was not sure about that FR24 could have just missed a delivery flight, as skyliner came with the information before the A330 delivery flight happened, so I asked how you came to your conclusions. Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 10, 2018 14:05:06 GMT 1
www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4Airbus A320-271N MSN8371 EI-GIB AirCastle? delivery 10dec18 XFW-LFBF, for paint, Hong Kong Express B-LCQ ntu ex D-AUBF I will put it in delivered as unknown airline edit: corroboration for Air Castle, I will change to that
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 21, 2018 19:08:00 GMT 1
MSN8658 Spirit N908NK
MSN8430 Air Castle EI-GII
MSN8661 Scoot 9V-TNB
did I miss the flights or are they still standing around undelivered?
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Post by sciing on Dec 21, 2018 19:23:53 GMT 1
MSN8658 Spirit N908NK MSN8430 Air Castle EI-GII MSN8661 Scoot 9V-TNB did I miss the flights or are they still standing around undelivered? Check the 3 well known websites does easily answer your question, no and yes. I personaly think we pay to much attention on skyliner. |
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 21, 2018 19:29:49 GMT 1
MSN8658 Spirit N908NK MSN8430 Air Castle EI-GII MSN8661 Scoot 9V-TNB did I miss the flights or are they still standing around undelivered? Check the 3 well known websites does easily answer your question, no and yes. I personaly think we pay to much attention on skyliner. It is always the possibility that they are delivered, but do not fly home immediately. And yes I looked at FR24 and flightAware, is it now banned to ask for confirmation? |
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Post by sciing on Dec 21, 2018 19:46:21 GMT 1
Check the 3 well known websites does easily answer your question, no and yes. I personaly think we pay to much attention on skyliner. It is always the possibility that they are delivered, but do not fly home immediately. And yes I looked at FR24 and flightAware, is it now banned to ask for confirmation? You may ask, but it will be more sucessfull and straight forward to look at the 3 free websites tracking each (delivery) flight if you are looking for delivery flights. xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/?m=1aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A320www.planespotters.net/deliveriesFlightplans were sometimes filed before contractual delivery and than delivery was shifted. So skyliner could quite misleading. It does not track contractual deliveries just filed flightplans. |
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Post by ca350 on Dec 21, 2018 20:45:15 GMT 1
Let's please discuss about deliveries only here. No need to talk about someone personally.
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Post by addasih on Dec 21, 2018 20:48:40 GMT 1
I deleted the post and I will do every time I see the poster passed the acceptable conversation boundary
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