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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 17, 2019 11:49:50 GMT 1
A220-500. If this seated for instance 175-190 passengers, is this some subtle way of dropping the A319 and even in the long run the A320 leaving room for the new design single-aisle? In fact could it out-perform the A320? It would be interesting if so since there was so much made of the A320's fuselage diameter being a key to successful marketing and performance at the time. Discuss? (well I'd love it if you did!) That would be a very long plane for 190 pax, 5 across seating 38 rows min ! |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 17, 2019 11:53:16 GMT 1
You are right, That's the correct time frame. I don't think so - the programme would have no future without major economies of scale. From the Flightglobal story posted above by Kronus : "The Mobile facility will have capacity to complete four A220s monthly by the mid-2020s, at which time the Mirabel site will be capable of completing 10 aircraft monthly, Airbus says. At those rates, the two sites, combined, would complete 168 aircraft annually". Of course, there is no guarantee that both lines will be used at full capacity, but Airbus is pushing. From the same story : " 'This is a good product. To make it an economically viable product, it needs to be made at scale', says Airbus president of commercial aircraft Guillaume Faury. 'We believe Airbus has the potential… to create the scale'." Why disagree with me, then quote a Flight Global article that agrees with me ? edit - the confusion is people read mid 2020s and think mid year 2020 ! When it really means the mid 2020s, so 2025 ish ! |
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Post by philidor on Jan 17, 2019 11:58:10 GMT 1
In the second Flightglobal story posted by Kronus above, Faury is quoted as saying that Airbus will be open to consider a new A220 derivative once the programme has been turned around and has secured a strong place in the aviation market.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time the possibility of such a development in the future is officially acknowledged.
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Post by philidor on Jan 17, 2019 12:06:02 GMT 1
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 17, 2019 12:23:03 GMT 1
You are not alone, quite a few of the journalists on the AB North America tour made the same mistake in tweets they sent out yesterday ! |
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Post by philidor on Jan 17, 2019 12:26:46 GMT 1
You are not alone, quite a few of the journalists on the AB North America tour made the same mistake in tweets they sent out yesterday ! I did read something about 2020 yesterday, which may have contributed to my misreading ! |
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 17, 2019 12:43:25 GMT 1
I think it is possible to read to much into the answer of Guillaume Faury.
The quote: As the A220 program evolves and becomes a commercial success you could expect Airbus to invest in it further as we have done with the A320 family., can mean a lot of different things.
For the proponents of an A220-500, it can mean that they will bring the A220-500. But it is really a very cautious answer. It does in reality only say that Airbus will do their usual thing and evolve the A220, it does not say anything about what will be done.
We will see in the future where the cross over point between a 5 across and 6 across frame lies, in regards to economy of production and use.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 17, 2019 12:43:26 GMT 1
You are not alone, quite a few of the journalists on the AB North America tour made the same mistake in tweets they sent out yesterday ! I did read something about 2020 yesterday, which may have contributed to my misreading ! The FliegerFaust probably he fell right in the trap ! |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 23, 2019 15:38:51 GMT 1
AB getting feisty with supplier Leonardo already !!! English translation at bottom of post !
English translation -
The relationship is worse between Airbus and one of the main suppliers of the A220, while the manufacturer is striving to increase the production of the former Bombardier aircraft.
The Société en commandite avions C Series (SCACS) has just filed a lawsuit of $68 million against the Italian company Leonardo, which manufactures the tail of the A220.
Delay and quality
The SCACS, which Airbus has been monitoring since last July, accuses Leonardo of "major, repeated and persistent failures" in the manufacture of this component.
The main issue is "a series of significant delays" and "a large number of quality defects" in the delivered products.
The workers at the A220 plant in Mirabel, among others, discovered "a foreign object in the horizontal stabilizer of a tail delivered by Leonardo", supports the SCACS in the pursuit.
"Given the major quality issues, the SCACS had to set up an inspection process at Mirabel to ensure that quality problems were detected before the tailings were installed on the aircraft," they added .
Substitute wanted
In the circumstances, the SCACS "is forced to initiate the process of ending the exclusivity of Leonardo [...] In order to allow the development of a new supplier for the tail, we read in the suit.
A spokesman for the SCACS, Annabelle Duchesne, however, was less clear, saying to the newspaper: "We continue to work in collaboration with Leonardo to ensure the regularity of operations".
Of the 68 million claimed from Leonardo, there is $21 million for the search for a new supplier, as well as 47 million for "lost profits" that would result from "the difference between the price paid to Leonardo" and the one, presumably higher, that would be paid to the WAN supplier Location.
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Post by fanairbus on Jan 23, 2019 19:15:05 GMT 1
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