philidor
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Post by philidor on Jan 22, 2019 10:44:12 GMT 1
Of course, in the long run airlines will trade some aircraft into or out of their fleets, but we are not trying to provide a full picture of existing fleets.
As what we are focused on is production, we should in my opinion only record factory-fresh deliveries (whether owned or leased, as we already discussed).
Now, another question is whether the thread title should include the number of frames delivered as is the case presently. My answer is that this is important and welcome information, which I would not like to lose, though it could be provided somewhere else in the thread. The first post would be an alternative good location, allowing for a different type of display, for instance ordered/delivered. There is a trade-off between information and complexity, and I trust our moderating team to do the best they can. Updating our threads should not become too bothersome !
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Post by peter on Jan 22, 2019 10:48:23 GMT 1
. . . . Or we can also just get rid of the count on the title altogether if that number doesn't make senses anymore. That's an even better idea  The point is: it's only correct when an airline buys brand-new aircraft only and does not lease aircraft in or out. Besides that, the number delivered is in the first post. Members who want more can check Airfleets or PlaneSpotters  |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jan 22, 2019 11:03:18 GMT 1
Besides that, the number delivered is in the first post. Members who want more can check Airfleets or PlaneSpotters Not exactly, the list of frames delivered is provided, not the total. I would welcome an updated total. |
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jan 22, 2019 13:01:41 GMT 1
I think there is a big difference between frames that have been in use for several years and frames that have newly been delivered, and are moved between airlines. May it be bankruptcy or an owner of several airlines takes delivery at one airline, but moves it straight away to the next, or the airline taking delivery leases it out to another airline, without using it itself.
Nearly all neo are new. So are those two, MSN7918 and 8086. 11 May 2018 and 1 Mar 2018 respectively.
I think it good to know, where nearly new A320neo frames end up.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jan 22, 2019 17:29:34 GMT 1
I think it good to know, where nearly new A320neo frames end up. I agree with you, but if we begin to include 'nearly new' frames in our total it will be very difficult to have a clear and practical rule. Could we just add a mention of such recent aircraft purchases in the first post ? |
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Post by ca350 on Jan 22, 2019 18:39:22 GMT 1
I think there is a big difference between frames that have been in use for several years and frames that have newly been delivered, and are moved between airlines. But this discrepancy will be really hard to define in the future. May it be bankruptcy or an owner of several airlines takes delivery at one airline, but moves it straight away to the next, or the airline taking delivery leases it out to another airline, without using it itself. I believe the way we are counting it right now is we count the NTU frames and frames that are "internal transfer" but not used previously (West Air and Tianjin example) towards the total. But not the ones that's been used by one airline but withdrawn from use and sold to another airline (this example). I think it good to know, where nearly new A320neo frames end up. I agree with philidor, this "nearly new" is really hard to define in the future. We can still log them in the post up, but here the problem is if we should count them towards fleet total. |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 22, 2019 18:58:02 GMT 1
I think there is a big difference between frames that have been in use for several years and frames that have newly been delivered, and are moved between airlines. But this discrepancy will be really hard to define in the future. May it be bankruptcy or an owner of several airlines takes delivery at one airline, but moves it straight away to the next, or the airline taking delivery leases it out to another airline, without using it itself. I believe the way we are counting it right now is we count the NTU frames and frames that are "internal transfer" but not used previously (West Air and Tianjin example) towards the total. But not the ones that's been used by one airline but withdrawn from use and sold to another airline (this example). I think it good to know, where nearly new A320neo frames end up. I agree with philidor , this "nearly new" is really hard to define in the future. We can still log them in the post up, but here the problem is if we should count them towards fleet total. This discussion should be moved to another thread ? May be "Work in Progress" or some General A320neo thread ? For my two peneth worth ! The count should be for all brand new frames delivered from an AB FAL in the airlines colour scheme. |
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Post by ca350 on Jan 22, 2019 19:40:30 GMT 1
Moving these posts in a bit. I think most of us agree with keeping the count in the title, but only counting new deliveries. So we will keep doing it in this way. Let us know for any question/ concern.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 25, 2019 19:33:33 GMT 1
I have got to the point where I think we should just scrap the totals in the thread titles ? Everyone has a different view on what
It should represent, we did not have them in the past and I can live with out them. I go somewhere else if I want to know
What an airlines fleet size is by type ! In years to come planes will leave the fleet, off lease or sold etc does someone have
To keep updating the thread title counts ? I think it's a waste of people's time ?
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Post by fanairbus on Jan 26, 2019 18:11:03 GMT 1
I'd agree with that stealthmanbob.
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