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Post by vlafollower on Oct 31, 2013 20:56:44 GMT 1
Good article. Sounds like the floor production rate is 25 A380's per year - 2014 and beyond. But Leahy is the "creme de la creme" in commercial aircraft sales - if anyone can sell these planes - he can. The "quads" are a tough sell - with today's engine technologies and reliability of the twin engined wide-bodies; and fuel prices. Thank goodness Airbus is garnering 85 to 90% of this VLA market!! Go Leahy!! Kick some Boeing 747 "derriere" in this market!! Thought about using a stronger word than derriere - but did not think it would be appropriate. There are some Americans that strongly dislike the "Lazy B". The latter nickname came to Boeing before a legitimate threat like Airbus began offering some valid competition -during the last 2-3 decades. Boeing was arrogant and complaisant and lazy when the only competition was Lockheed, and MacDac - top to bottom! They really did a number on Airbus during the freighter competition!!
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Post by addasih on Oct 31, 2013 22:01:55 GMT 1
I hope John Leahy can do some magic because the news about A380 program is not good with Air France saying they may cancel their last 2 frames due in 2016
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Post by danteg on Nov 1, 2013 3:43:16 GMT 1
Unless someone is going to be able to build a +500 twin wide-body the A380 is going to be needed. The alternative is that airlines will have to turn away increasing numbers of passengers for flights from major hubs because there are will be no new slots available to increase the number of flights using twin wide-body jets.
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Post by vlafollower on Nov 1, 2013 21:11:22 GMT 1
I don't disagree that the A380 fills a market niche...though a low volume one..
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Post by walter on Dec 9, 2013 16:59:11 GMT 1
I just saw this list at another forum:
1x Air France >> Q2 2x Asiana >> Q2 5x British >> Q1 (2) + Q2 (1) + Q3 (2) 13x Emirates >> Q1 (3) + Q2 (3) + Q3 (3) + Q4 (4) 1x Etihad >> Q4 2x Korean >> Q2 + Q3 2x Lufthansa >> Q1 + Q2 4x Qatar >> Q2 (3) + Q3 (1) 2x Skymark >> Q3 + Q4
This would be 32 ...
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Post by FabienA380 on Dec 9, 2013 18:00:39 GMT 1
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Post by vlafollower on Dec 9, 2013 21:56:39 GMT 1
I would be interested in looking a the list that shows 32 as well. Airbus is currently scheduled to build 30 next year per my sources. They may be carryovers from their work in process inventories (2013 or before).
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Post by philidor on Dec 9, 2013 23:34:22 GMT 1
We have a lot of information that may help to forecast 2014 deliveries.
We now have 24 frames in production or testing in TLS or HFW (I cannot check the number now, so correct me if I am wrong). With 3 frames to deliver to EK in December and one convoy before year-end, we should have 22 frames in production in early January.
We know that we have three scheduled convoys in January, and I think three more in March (not sure). I read nothing about February, which usually has fewer convoys. If we have two convoys that month, we may still have 30 frames delivered next year if one frame convoyed in April is delivered before year-end 2014.
So, I think that 30 is a more realistic target than 32.
We also know that Airbus notoriously has open slots in 2015. It would be inconsistent to break a production record in 2014 just to slow down in 2015.
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Post by mjoelnir on Dec 9, 2013 23:46:07 GMT 1
In the moment we have from convoy to finished outfitting 21 frames to be delivered 2014:
1 x Air France, MSN 117, 2 x Asiana, MSN 152, 155, 3 x British Airways, MSN 144, 148, 151 8 x Emirates, MSN 141, 142, 147, 150, 153, 154, 157, 158, 2 x Korean, MSN 130, MSN 156, 2 x Lufthansa, MSN 146, 149, 3 x Qatar, MSN 137, 143, 145,
If the list above is correct we would need 11 more, one to be convoyed this week:
2 x British, MSN 161, 163 5 x Emirates, MSN 159, 164, 165, 168, 169 1 X Ethiad, (1 HOV Q4), MSN 170 1 x Qatar, MSN 160 2 x Skymark, (1 HOV Q3), MSN 162, 167
IMO it could be possible.
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Post by walter on Dec 11, 2013 11:21:50 GMT 1
We have a lot of information that may help to forecast 2014 deliveries. We now have 24 frames in production or testing in TLS or HFW (I cannot check the number now, so correct me if I am wrong). With 3 frames to deliver to EK in December and one convoy before year-end, we should have 22 frames in production in early January. We know that we have three scheduled convoys in January, and I think three more in March (not sure). I read nothing about February, which usually has fewer convoys. If we have two convoys that month, we may still have 30 frames delivered next year if one frame convoyed in April is delivered before year-end 2014. So, I think that 30 is a more realistic target than 32. We also know that Airbus notoriously has open slots in 2015. It would be inconsistent to break a production record in 2014 just to slow down in 2015. I guess that Airbus would not care to have in one year 32 and less in another year just to make the numbers even :-) This is more dependent on when customers want them delivered... Airbus already did a good job in filling the slots of cancelled (Lufthansa) or postponed(Qantas) planes without a lot of noise so I think they will manage to do this again. m2c
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