s543
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Post by s543 on Apr 17, 2014 18:23:53 GMT 1
Is is nice - but finally it links to an article on AB web - so one could "click" to those articles anyway.
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Apr 18, 2014 10:58:45 GMT 1
Actually XWB I rethought of this on the plane, I think this might be open to discussion,... MSN152 went out of the painshop three weeks ago and just appeared now on the FL, but the thing is, MSN137 appeared on the FL just for one day in December, we considered it rolled out but it didn't come back on the FL until 2 months later, MSN087 went out of the paintshop and we considered it rolled out (under indications of Airbus' press release), but it still didn't appear on the FL until 1 month later,... So I think the question might still be opened, should we consider MSN152 rolled out today, or three weeks ago?... Fabien  Let's keep April 14 as roll out date. Regarding MSN137, there are many outfit phases in XFW and we don't know which steps have yet to be completed once an A380 appears on the flightline. The only thing we do know is that painting and cabin fit takes about 1 month each. So when a painted frame appears on the flightline after 9-10 weeks, we can be sure that the cabin has been (largely) installed. |
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s543
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Post by s543 on Apr 18, 2014 11:22:10 GMT 1
I would agree with XWB as of the later date.
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spotterxfw
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Post by spotterxfw on Apr 20, 2014 5:39:21 GMT 1
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Apr 20, 2014 7:02:57 GMT 1
I would agree with XWB as of the later date. I would agree with anyone who said it was impossible to 'determine' a correct date for anything to do with the A380  |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 20, 2014 10:10:27 GMT 1
I would agree with anyone who said it was impossible to 'determine' a correct date for anything to do with the A380 And I beg to differ with this judgment . We have much more information about A380 production than about the production of any other Airbus aircraft. This is because of a special organisation relying on road convoys (--> we know dates of entry into FAL), two different production sites (--> we see Beluga loading and unloading, rollouts in TLS, transfer flights, arrival in HFW) and an abundance of spotting opportunities (both flightlines are under permanent observation --> we see aircraft being moved out of or into hangars, we know when they have been painted ...). This flow of information is unique ; it is what makes this forum so interesting ! Of course, we all would like to know even more, but let's not forget the big picture ! ;)I doubt we'll ever have the same degree of understanding of A350 production ...   |
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Apr 22, 2014 13:59:16 GMT 1
I would agree with anyone who said it was impossible to 'determine' a correct date for anything to do with the A380 And I beg to differ with this judgment . We have much more information about A380 production than about the production of any other Airbus aircraft. This is because of a special organisation relying on road convoys (--> we know dates of entry into FAL), two different production sites (--> we see Beluga loading and unloading, rollouts in TLS, transfer flights, arrival in HFW) and an abundance of spotting opportunities (both flightlines are under permanent observation --> we see aircraft being moved out of or into hangars, we know when they have been painted ...). This flow of information is unique ; it is what makes this forum so interesting ! Of course, we all would like to know even more, but let's not forget the big picture ! ;)I doubt we'll ever have the same degree of understanding of A350 production ... whatever |
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 23, 2014 4:28:41 GMT 1
noistar I think that perhaps you were meaning that REAL dates are hard to get, I think you are somehow right... Finding real exact dates are almost impossible to get though, unless we could get somebody 'inside' that would relate to everything that is going on inside the bays, but unless we hire JB to spy as an A380-secretagent (and that might also be illegal, espionnage industriel?...), this might relate to the domain of an impossible mission...... Though, finding real dates can still be possible but (to my opinion) are pretty rare and though to have, for example the delivery sheet of MSN115 that we can glance in the documentary posted by cpagrave, showing a (real)date of delivery on 12th September, as we had here thought/declared that (our)date of delivery for MSN115 would be that date where it took off from Hamburg heading to Paris, as of course we could not imagine what had gone into Airbus' offices in Hamburg, we could never know that the delivery had occured a day before... perhaps it is the case sometimes, perhaps always, but we cannot know,...... Another example that comes to my mind was the roll out of MSN103 at TLS a few years ago, where the spotter A380spotter was lucky enough to witness at night the actual roll out of the frame out of the FAL bay (whole set at flic.kr/p/aKivrx, many thanks again A380spotter and digitalairliners), otherwise "day"spotters would have most likely seen it on the FL the following day, letting us think that the roll out was on the day after,... Also another case that comes to my mind was MSN112 witnessed rolling out at XFW by spotterxfw, undertaking a direct RTO as soon as rolled out (many thanks again spotterxfw!!)... These cases are scarce and rare however I think, so the way here to get the closest to the real thing indeed, as was mentioning philidor, is to rely on all our nice and dedicated spotters, at both TLS and XFW......... Also, always trying to find A380-info, if I find a "real" dates somewhere that would not match the date that we had taken into account, I would modify our databases (production lists, frames' threads,..) and advise by posting in the frame's thread, as I did this morning with MSN115...... The best I guess was the web-cam that we had at XFW 4 years ago, but unfortunately AB had found it eventually and sadly taken care of it......  Question is, could it ever be possible to reinstall a web-cam at XFW or even at TLS, without Airbus knowing about it?............ Fabien 
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 23, 2014 9:41:57 GMT 1
I don't think we need exact dates, a couple of days difference in delivery dates does not matter much.
Whenever we can, we should in my opinion rely on either official data (when they are provided) or our own evidence (many thanks to our spotters !). I had rather use delivery flight dates as delivery dates, since this is a technically-oriented site, and we have hard evidence of when they take place. Legal aspects do not matter much to us, and anyhow relevant information is scarce.
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quidam
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Post by quidam on Apr 23, 2014 9:53:47 GMT 1
Well, Airbus orders-deliveries spreadsheet actually gives us exact and reliable dates...
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