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Post by FabienA380 on Mar 15, 2014 21:41:54 GMT 1
In the past I think there was only one example of a frame waiting on the FL after Body Join finished, but there were a few examples of frames waiting on the FL after FALstage1 finished,... There's still this bay 31C (FAL left side, closer to the FL), I think through the times it has worked roles of both FALstage1 and FALstage2, and I've seen something on my visit last week, that this bay was written 'working party', but was too late for me to ask about it... Fabien
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Post by noistar on Apr 4, 2014 18:22:21 GMT 1
Yesterday l(3rd April), A380-TLS-A350 posted 3 A380 photos. The first was MSN161 rollout The 2nd was MSN164 change of station FAL 1 to FAL 2 The 3rd was MSN165 change of station body join to FAL 1
I understand there are 2 FAL 1 bays and 4 FAL 2 bays. If this is correct, FAL 1 was full until MSN165 moved to FAL 2
Was yesterday's musical chairs a coincidence, or was MSN165 held up by MSN 164, in which case MSN167 body join was also held up
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 4, 2014 18:41:29 GMT 1
In the past with convoys very spaced, I guess that this could have well been a nice coincidence, but now as the convoys are getting very close I think it is no coincidence and every frame has to free a bay to let another enter. There are two FAL stage1 bays indeed (31A, 31B), and for long times we thought that there were 4 FAL stage2 bays (31C, 30A, 30B, 30C) but it seems that the bay 31C is for multiple usages (I had this confirmed during my visit in March), so there are actually only 3 FAL stage2 bays, that are now indeed always full... (I think also the bay 31A from time to time in the past took some FALstage2 work...) So then for yesterday pictures, I guess this is one of the first times (if not the first time?...) that all 3 switching frames are taken into pictures! Fabien
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Post by addasih on Apr 4, 2014 20:49:52 GMT 1
So then for yesterday pictures, I guess this is one of the first times (if not the first time?...) that all 3 switching frames are taken into pictures! Fabien I think it happened before and A380_TLS_A350 took photos Edit: I even remember XWB posting those photos also in A.net Maybe photos from 11/2/2014
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Post by noistar on Apr 4, 2014 21:13:44 GMT 1
In the past with convoys very spaced, I guess that this could have well been a nice coincidence, but now as now the convoys are getting very close I think it is no coincidence and every frame has to free a bay for another to enter. There are two FAL stage1 bays indeed (31A, 31B), and for long times we thought that there were 4 FAL stage2 bays (31C, 30A, 30B, 30C) but it seems that the bay 31C is for multiple usages (I had this confirmed during my visit in March), so there are actually only 3 FAL stage2 bays, that are now indeed always full... (I think also the bay 31A from time to time in the past took some FALstage2 work...) So then for yesterday pictures, I guess this is one of the first times (if not the first time?...) that all 3 switching frames are taken into pictures! Fabien I had also noticed that convoy rates seem to be over-running body join. 'My' MSN162 observations re waiting a long time, doesn't note that the 1st convoy of 2014 had arrived before the penultimate frame of 2013 had left body join (I say 'left' rather than 'completed' to acknowledge it might be waiting for a FAL spot!) It's better to have too many rather than too few frames, but where do they keep 6 fuselage sections waiting for body join?
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Post by noistar on Apr 5, 2014 9:03:07 GMT 1
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Post by mjoelnir on Apr 5, 2014 14:12:39 GMT 1
I do no think that convoys are overrunning the FAL in Toulouse.
We have had 9 convoys this year and 11 first flights. 9 going in 11 going out. We have 9 frames transferred to XFW. That is 9 going in, 9 going out. That a frame has to wait here and there is not an indication of that the FAL is overrun. With the kind of transporting system Airbus has it is prudent to have some buffers. The next convoy should have arrived before the preceding frame leaves body join. The frame out of body join should be finished and waiting when the next bay opens on FAL stage one and so on.
Even in Finkenwerder we can not talk about an overrun. OK 6 frames delivered is less than 9 frames transferred, but the crowding seems to be on the out side of outfitting, with 5 frames rolled out and one of them having done its CFF. With 9 frames in or waiting for outfitting and 6 outfitting bays, 2 extra bays and 2 paint bays there should be all worked on somewhere. The point there seems to be rather delivery dates, with frames waiting for their date. MSN 137 for example will not be delivered before June and we see perhaps three frames for Qatar standing around ready for shipment at that time. Crowding in Finkenwerder should also not stop transfers from TLS because of space, there are now 14 frames in XFW and it peaked at 17 frames not so long ago.
I rather think production is running rather smoothly with a record of 6 deliveries during the first quarter.
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Post by FabienA380 on Apr 5, 2014 14:57:16 GMT 1
It's better to have too many rather than too few frames, but where do they keep 6 fuselage sections waiting for body join? There is still the bay opposite the Body Join section, and some spaces beside both these bays for quality control. We do, of course have the mid-FAL 2, 3rd FAL change of station of MSN137 While I don't know why MSN137 changed bays within FALstage2, I don't think this is regular path for frames...... Fabien
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Post by vlafollower on Apr 5, 2014 15:20:43 GMT 1
Sounds like the A380 production system is in balance; and 30 a/c per year is not a strain - for Airbus. Life is good in Toulouse etc.
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Apr 5, 2014 17:52:29 GMT 1
I do no think that convoys are overrunning the FAL in Toulouse. We have had 9 convoys this year and 11 first flights. 9 going in 11 going out. We have 9 frames transferred to XFW. That is 9 going in, 9 going out. That a frame has to wait here and there is not an indication of that the FAL is overrun. With the kind of transporting system Airbus has it is prudent to have some buffers. The next convoy should have arrived before the preceding frame leaves body join. The frame out of body join should be finished and waiting when the next bay opens on FAL stage one and so on. Even in Finkenwerder we can not talk about an overrun. OK 6 frames delivered is less than 9 frames transferred, but the crowding seems to be on the out side of outfitting, with 5 frames rolled out and one of them having done its CFF. With 9 frames in or waiting for outfitting and 6 outfitting bays, 2 extra bays and 2 paint bays there should be all worked on somewhere. The point there seems to be rather delivery dates, with frames waiting for their date. MSN 137 for example will not be delivered before June and we see perhaps three frames for Qatar standing around ready for shipment at that time. Crowding in Finkenwerder should also not stop transfers from TLS because of space, there are now 14 frames in XFW and it peaked at 17 frames not so long ago. I rather think production is running rather smoothly with a record of 6 deliveries during the first quarter. 2 frames arrive before a frame leaves body join and have been for a while. Are the return to TLS after first flight of the last 2 frames indicative of issues with the flights, or a case of not imposing on XFW? I don't know. I just wonder if the experts are able to answer the questions raised when I observe the facts. I have no axe to grind. I just raise observations which do not criticise the delivery schedule.
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