philidor
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Post by philidor on Jul 6, 2014 10:09:59 GMT 1
I am amazed by some of the comments upthread, asserting that BC either does not want this aircraft type anymore or cannot finance it ! This is pure fantasy !
Have no doubt, BC has secured funding for its A380 purchases. At this stage, aircraft have been built, BC already has had huge progress payments be paid to Airbus, obviously by some banking institution, so definitely there is no funding problem. It is also too late to back out of the deal, BC would suffer huge losses. BC is not a bankrupt company, it is a going concern!
The frames cannot just be transferred to another buyer, they are reserved for BC, which has ordered them, and they are going to be stored until building can be resumed.
What has happened is a problem with some buyer furnished equipment (BFE), which can be long lead items. We don't know which equipment is concerned, but I am not surprised that a new supply takes several months ... This is unfortunate, but errors do happen (would you have believed the A380 programme could be endangered by wiring issues?).
I suppose BC hoped the problem could somehow be fixed without rejecting the supply (hence the transfer to XFW), but Airbus determined there was no way to do that safely (remember that sentence in BC's explanations).
Of course, Airbus is not going to comment on a customer's blunders ...
One point may have been omitted by BC, though : the delay may be useful to them, if they are struggling to get ready to start the A380 operation.
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Post by xxxx on Jul 6, 2014 12:11:56 GMT 1
philidor A320 are totally different scale, but they have even been painted (meaning the complete interior was installed) before and were then delivered to a different airline, because the airline got bankrupt / closed down or for other reasons. A recent example is Tigerair with MSN 6076: www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A320/6076,B-1897-China-West-Air.php
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Post by peter on Jul 6, 2014 17:08:24 GMT 1
You can not compare shifting an A320 or an A380 to another customer. The interior of the 320 is relatively standard, the 380 is custom-built.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Jul 6, 2014 18:44:13 GMT 1
More importantly, Skymark is a financially healthy airline, the contrary of a bankrupt company. Too many people misestimate them !
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Jul 6, 2014 21:59:25 GMT 1
However with now this "return" to Toulouse, is there not another reason behind all this being that Skymark no longer wants A380 in its fleet for economic reasons ? The transfer to TLS suggests it is more than some interior parts. I wonder when we will know more.... There's a logical explanation for this ferry flight: there's more storage space in TLS than in XFW.
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quidam
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Post by quidam on Jul 7, 2014 11:48:03 GMT 1
And better climate for storage in TLS too. Anyways, BC situation is far from ideal, we'll see in coming months how it will unfold. If I was a betting man I would go for them not taking A380 over. And I would love to lose this bet
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Jul 7, 2014 12:25:43 GMT 1
And better climate for storage in TLS too. Anyways, BC situation is far from ideal, we'll see in coming months how it will unfold. If I was a betting man I would go for them not taking A380 over. And I would love to lose this bet As long as the stop of outfitting and the transfer to TLS are the only indications of the speculation of non delivery of the A380s to BC, I can not take mark of it. Do we have one example of long time storage of an A380 in Hamburg?
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Post by FabienA380 on Jul 7, 2014 14:02:55 GMT 1
None (for aircraft built) at XFW, only long time storage occured at TLS with MSN047 and MSN050, there was also short time storage of MSN052 and MSN064.
I don't think SKY is not interested in the A380 anymore and this comes from pure speculation..
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Jul 8, 2014 1:10:33 GMT 1
However with now this "return" to Toulouse, is there not another reason behind all this being that Skymark no longer wants A380 in its fleet for economic reasons ? The transfer to TLS suggests it is more than some interior parts. I wonder when we will know more.... There's a logical explanation for this ferry flight: there's more storage space in TLS than in XFW. Think they'll unlease the engines?
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noistar
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Post by noistar on Jul 8, 2014 1:16:46 GMT 1
None (for aircraft built) at XFW, only long time storage occured at TLS with MSN047 and MSN050, there was also short time storage of MSN052 and MSN064. I don't think SKY is not interested in the A380 anymore and this comes from pure speculation.. Sorry to be pedantic Fabien, but does your use of a double-negative mean that you think SKY are not interested in the A380s?
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