ghorn
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Post by ghorn on May 10, 2014 22:45:10 GMT 1
I now count 49 787-9 orders for ILFC instead of 41. Good spot, ILFC certainly should be able to predict future airline demand as well as anybody. More evidence that the 787-9 has become more popular than the 787-8. Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on May 10, 2014 23:14:08 GMT 1
Updated figures for end of April attached. Boeing still to book their first airliner widebody order of 2014. With higher deliveries for Boeing and higher orders for Airbus the orderbook gap between the two has further narrowed. The anticipated 200+ orders for the 777X will change this trend, when they are firmed, maybe a 2nd launch at Farnborough. As already flagged above, with the ILFC conversion, the 787-9 continues to add orders at the expense of the 787-8. Latest A330 sales are for the military MRTT version which unfortunately Airbus doesn't separte out from the standard A330-200. Geoff |
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Post by philidor on May 11, 2014 10:40:00 GMT 1
Latest A330 sales are for the military MRTT version which unfortunately Airbus doesn't separte out from the standard A330-200. Geoff Airbus however provides a list of military orders and deliveries on the website of its military subsidiary (which should be linked to from Airbus' main website). I believe A330 MRTT orders are listed twice, with all A330 orders and with military sales. |
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Post by s543 on May 11, 2014 10:54:59 GMT 1
Well BOEING states it's military 737 + 767 in the common list too.
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Post by philidor on May 11, 2014 11:59:07 GMT 1
Well BOEING states it's military 737 + 767 in the common list too. Yes, because a barebone airframe is manufactured on the FAL along with commercial frames, and then delivered to the military subsidiary for outfitting. The same applies to business jets, which are delivered to a specialist outfitter. |
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Post by s543 on May 11, 2014 15:13:36 GMT 1
Right - so I would say there is no reason not to count them - that was the original idea.
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philidor
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Post by philidor on May 11, 2014 21:54:47 GMT 1
Airliners, military aircraft and business jets are quite different market segments. Analysing them separately makes a lot of sense, but you can as well lump them altogether if you need a very broad view of the market.
So, it's anybody's choice. I only wish to point out that, in the long term, any grand total including military aircraft will showcase Boeing as an undisputed leader. Think of upcoming 767 tanker sales ...
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ghorn
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Post by ghorn on May 11, 2014 22:54:38 GMT 1
Think I'll stick with the numbers that Airbus and Boeing publish whilst recognising that there are inconsistencies and anomalies as a result.
Thanks for all your advice.
Geoff
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Post by ghorn on May 11, 2014 23:01:28 GMT 1
Airliners, military aircraft and business jets are quite different market segments. Analysing them separately makes a lot of sense, but you can as well lump them altogether if you need a very broad view of the market. So, it's anybody's choice. I only wish to point out that, in the long term, any grand total including military aircraft will showcase Boeing as an undisputed leader. Think of upcoming 767 tanker sales ... At least Boeing are reporting the 767-2C seperately in their unfilled orders report. Geoff |
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Post by ghorn on Jun 5, 2014 14:54:26 GMT 1
The Airbus figures for May were published this morning. Nothing from Boeing yet but they may be out later today ( Thursday seems to be their preferred day ).
A quiet month for A330 deliveries, with only 6. Possibly related to the paintshop accident ?
Good to see 4 A380s delivered.
No changes ( orders, conversions or cancellations ) to the orderbook.
Will update my tables when I have Boeing's numbers. Seems as though it will stay very quiet until Farnborough next month.
Geoff
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