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Post by limoncello on Mar 24, 2016 13:45:53 GMT 1
The new cabin design for the A330neo looks very good.
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Post by henge on Mar 30, 2016 6:08:28 GMT 1
The animation looks nice, but... I know this is marketing, which is just another word for "bullshit", and it has to be done to be present in social media etc. Still, it's kinda hard to take this sh** seriously... We are calling this "Airspace by Airbus". And this is not just another marketing slogan... No! This is a NEW brand that stands for Airbus cabin DNA, which is covering the leading elements of comfort, ambiance, service, and design, and we are applying that uniquely to our cabins, so that you as a passenger or a crew member will really see and feel the difference. And to Airbus and Boeing cabin designers: I don't give a rat's a** about 18-inch-wide seats! If I could trade an inch in seat width for an inch more legspace, I would gladly do it every time! Not everyone is short-legged and overweight.
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Post by philidor on Mar 30, 2016 13:28:44 GMT 1
And to Airbus and Boeing cabin designers: I don't give a rat's a** about 18-inch-wide seats! If I could trade an inch in seat width for an inch more legspace, I would gladly do it every time! Not everyone is short-legged and overweight. Your rant is misdirected. Airbus and Boeing offer many cabin configuration choices. Airlines select a configuration they can sell. Passengers chose their preferred level of comfort and associated price. Travel conditions in economy get worse because a majority of economy passengers go for the lowest price without any further enquiry ... Let's accept market realities, and demand a true choice, i.e. an economy plus at a higher but still affordable price. The way to this goal is to promote simple industry-wide comfort labels which could easily be shown on booking sites.
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Post by henge on Mar 31, 2016 2:20:10 GMT 1
You're missing the point. I do demand a true choice, but with most airlines there's no way to get a little bit more legspace without paying double (or even more). Furthermore, going on business trips as a public servant one rarely has the option to get a ticket above the absolute comfort minimum - whatever the airlines decide that to be. Now, Airbus' constant boasting with 18-inch-wide seats that the "competition" is allegedly not able to provide is getting on my nerves, because they just try to put a smokescreen over the issue of no-legspace. FabienA380 , pardon my language...
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Post by philidor on Mar 31, 2016 10:02:56 GMT 1
You're missing the point. Am I ? I do demand a true choice, but with most airlines there's no way to get a little bit more legspace without paying double (or even more). That's the reason I wrote 'Let's accept market realities, and demand a true choice, i.e. an economy plus at a higher but still affordable price. The way to this goal is to promote simple industry-wide comfort labels which could easily be shown on booking sites'. Sorry for the self-quote ! Now, Airbus' constant boasting with 18-inch-wide seats that the "competition" is allegedly not able to provide is getting on my nerves, because they just try to put a smokescreen over the issue of no-legspace. Airframe design has a major influence on shoulder room, whereas there is very little airframers can do about legroom - as you said, the issue is with 'most airlines'. Are you suggesting that airframers refuse to build some customer-selected configurations ? That seems impossible, unless regulators introduce minimum legroom certification standards. As regards Airbus' advertised shoulder room focus, it may look as a smokescreen to you (I suppose you are tall, long-legged and slim - congratulations !), but it matters to some people, not necessarily 'short-legged and overweight' as you put it. Two strong-built, broad-shouldered men sitting next to each other would be relieved by these extra centimeters that don't matter to you. I am convinced that as long as price remains the only criterion used by search engines to rank flights, airlines will shrink legroom in economy class. There is no reward for a better product unless it somehow puts you at the top of the list.
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Post by Jkkw on Apr 5, 2016 5:02:11 GMT 1
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Post by airboche on Apr 5, 2016 10:04:20 GMT 1
(adding to the seat discussion above)
Airlines try to sell you a product. I you don't like it, just don't buy it. Book elsewhere. Market demand and competition will define what they offer. Well, that should work at least in an ideal world.
Designwise I hope IFE boxes in passenger's legroom are a thing of the past forever, whoever the seat manufacturer is. This is the worst cabin innovation ever.
Besides of that I think sinks in lavatories have become way too small. It's not possible to clean your teeth and spit a cup of water in the sink as you hit the wall with your head before you come close enough. "Plane stupid" design.
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Post by philidor on Apr 5, 2016 13:21:08 GMT 1
Designwise I hope IFE boxes in passenger's legroom are a thing of the past forever, whoever the seat manufacturer is. This is the worst cabin innovation ever. Unfortunately, this is not so ! To the best of my knowledge, all 787s now flying have an IFE box in passengers legroom in one third of economy seats. Last year, I flied QR's 787s (on the Doha/Osaka route and back) and its A380s (on the Doha/CDG route), and the pesky IFE box was enough to ruin the 787 passenger experience. From what I heard, though QR has the same IFE provider on 787s and A350s (Thales), only 787s have the galling box in economy. Unfortunately, I did not get the opportunity to check the A350 myself.
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Post by airboche on Apr 5, 2016 14:43:21 GMT 1
Some 747-8 seats in the back end of the Y cabin of some german airline have them too.
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Post by Jkkw on Apr 8, 2016 2:46:27 GMT 1
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