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Post by limoncello on Dec 30, 2013 16:32:27 GMT 1
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Post by ghorn on Jan 1, 2014 17:09:31 GMT 1
Airbus seem able to sell the existing A330 based on price and timescale advantages over the A350 and 787. Air Asia X seem to have accepted there won't be an 'neo'. Unless Airbus see a longer term role for the A330 ( in place of the A350-800 ) then doubt they can increase A330 sales sufficiently to justify an A330neo investment. Geoff |
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Post by philidor on Jan 2, 2014 0:24:01 GMT 1
An A.net thread about a possible A330 neo has elicited more than 150 posts ...
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Post by someone on Jan 2, 2014 13:33:25 GMT 1
It is not impossible that Airbus won't need much more time to develop an A330neo than the planned A350-800, depending on engine selection and how much other changes they would need to create a usefull A330neo
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Post by ghorn on Jan 2, 2014 15:06:34 GMT 1
It is not impossible that Airbus won't need much more time to develop an A330neo than the planned A350-800, depending on engine selection and how much other changes they would need to create a usefull A330neo All the quotes I've seen from Airbus suggest they believe continuing to improve the current A330 will serve them best. An neo would raise the price and push out timescales, negating to some extent the A330s current advantage. The latest discussions arise from unattributed rumours supposedly from engine suppliers. Geoff |
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Post by limoncello on Jan 10, 2014 13:51:22 GMT 1
There exists a very interesting article about the question if it is necessary to built a A330neo and what will be with the low orders of A350-800. bloga350.blogspot.de/ |
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Post by ghorn on Jan 11, 2014 10:36:32 GMT 1
There exists a very interesting article about the question if it is necessary to built a A330neo and what will be with the low orders of A350-800. bloga350.blogspot.de/Much of the debate about the possible A330neo is wrongly ( in my opinion ) focussed on comparing it with the A350-800. With an orderbook of 800+ for the A350 you can't order an A350 ( any model ) for delivery much before 2022. Airbus wants to sell as many A330s as it can for delivery in 2016-2021. Can they keep delivering 100+ A330s a year through to 2021 ? Would the 'ceo' or the 'neo' be better at achieving that. The risk for Airbus is that announcing an A330neo would kill off the A330ceo and require them to slow production for 2016/2017 only to have to ramp up again in 2018/2019 if the neo sells. Surely better to keep selling the current A330s and somehow increase A350 production. Geoff |
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Post by s543 on Jan 11, 2014 11:43:26 GMT 1
There exists a very interesting article about the question if it is necessary to built a A330neo and what will be with the low orders of A350-800. bloga350.blogspot.de/Much of the debate about the possible A330neo is wrongly ( in my opinion ) focussed on comparing it with the A350-800. With an orderbook of 800+ for the A350 you can't order an A350 ( any model ) for delivery much before 2022. Airbus wants to sell as many A330s as it can for delivery in 2016-2021. Can they keep delivering 100+ A330s a year through to 2021 ? Would the 'ceo' or the 'neo' be better at achieving that. The risk for Airbus is that announcing an A330neo would kill off the A330ceo and require them to slow production for 2016/2017 only to have to ramp up again in 2018/2019 if the neo sells. Surely better to keep selling the current A330s and somehow increase A350 production. Geoff I do believe the technology for improvements is here - new engine with better economy. There are routes where A350 - is too much of a plane. Please consider a lot of routes served today by 767-300ER, where that is the right size of a plane. How would those operators fill up much bigger A350 or a bit smaller B787 - still bigger ? I believe Airbus does not want to loose share of this market. OK maybe we have to get ready to live with those routes disappear since the economy simply does not work and everyone has to travel via some "MEGAHUB" ? There is a lot of TATL routes served by those planes and those planes seem to be the right size. We even have some routes westEU-eastNA served by 757.... I believe those routes provide good service to people which can get to their destination without spending a couple of hours in LHR, FRA, CDG and or JFK, ORD, DFW etc. Maybe sufficient and equally good service would be some ER variant of A321neo which would fill nicely those routes ? Would it be possible and worth it ? |
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Post by philidor on Jan 11, 2014 12:48:18 GMT 1
There is no doubt a market exists for 250/300 seats airliners. The question is : what should be Airbus' plan to address this market segment in the next few years ? Would an A330neo collect enough orders to warrant the initial investment ? Only Airbus knows what airlines think ...
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Post by limoncello on Jan 11, 2014 18:35:55 GMT 1
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