s543
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Post by s543 on Mar 27, 2014 18:02:19 GMT 1
The importance of the NEO's entry into ANA's fleet should not be underestimated. Much larger orders must be expected from ANA in this market segment in upcoming years ... Yeah the battle 73x-32x continues and here are the chances considerably better  |
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Mar 27, 2014 18:15:06 GMT 1
Looking at the current 77W fleet, the 777-9 will most likely have a 4-class cabin with just up to 300 seats. The 787-9 with a 2- or 3-class cabin will have 250 to 350 seats. I don't think there's a gap in the ANA fleet, they just have another fleet strategy. They still could have gone for additional 787-10s instead of the -9s. It's quite a surprise really considering how ANA was very enthusiastic about the prospects of the -10 and one of the first airlines to push Boeing towards its launch.  From Dreamliner carries its first passengers and Boeing's hopes - 2011 |
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Post by Jkkw on Mar 27, 2014 21:54:21 GMT 1
I wonder how they messed up the catalougue prices so badly Um...the figures are all in Yen?  But how can the 321neo be around 4 times the amount of a 320neo and 89 billion yen more than a 77W. Also is the 777X really that much more expensive than the other widebodies? It all makes sense - they have still 39 787 on order + 27 they operate, even more so with 777 - 3 on order + 54 they operate. To introduce new type would not be too logical. We might be happy they probably decided that 737NG are not so terrific even if they operate 18 of those and have another 7 on order (together with their subsidiaries it is 42 pcs - but a lot of those went to them. i.e. realistically I would consider this as success. Also worth considering is that most of their 320s are old models 211 close to 20 years old, so in not so far future they will all go away, as is rapidly happening. Yes, I agree, realistically this order makes sense and in addition to what you said, I think the 320s are in the slow process of leaving the fleet so as you said this is still a success for airbus. |
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Post by XWB on Mar 27, 2014 22:14:30 GMT 1
It's obviously a typo/mistake.
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Baroque
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Post by Baroque on Mar 27, 2014 22:34:17 GMT 1
But how can the 321neo be around 4 times the amount of a 320neo and 89 billion yen more than a 77W. I'm not quite sure if I follow you. Assume today's exchange rate of 102.17 for the yen... 7 A320neo--------75 billion yen / 102.17 = $734 million -----------------734 million / 7 units = $105 million per aircraft. 23 A321neo-------291 billion yen / 102.17 = $2,848 million -----------------2,848 million / 23 units = $124 million per aircraft. Very close to the Airbus catalogue prices for 2014. |
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Post by Jkkw on Mar 27, 2014 23:29:44 GMT 1
But how can the 321neo be around 4 times the amount of a 320neo and 89 billion yen more than a 77W. I'm not quite sure if I follow you. Assume today's exchange rate of 102.17 for the yen... 7 A320neo--------75 billion yen / 102.17 = $734 million -----------------734 million / 7 units = $105 million per aircraft. 23 A321neo-------291 billion yen / 102.17 = $2,848 million -----------------2,848 million / 23 units = $124 million per aircraft. Very close to the Airbus catalogue prices for 2014. Oh, I get it now, I thought it was the catalogue price per aircraft. My bad. Thanks |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Mar 28, 2014 0:57:27 GMT 1
That was almost three years ago. To-day, the situation is different : - They have more information about the -10, which might be different from what they expected in 2011 (are they dissatisfied with its range ?). - They seem to be more open to considering competing offers, and the A359 is a serious alternative. They may have decided to postpone their decision. - As XWB suggested, they may have decided that they don't need that size of aircraft. |
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Post by someone on Apr 4, 2014 10:07:26 GMT 1
Firmed orders in March
Saudi Gulf: 4 A320ceo
Phillipine Airlines: 8 A321neo
Air China: 4 A330-300
China Eastern: 5 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
China Southern: 9 A330-300
Hainan: 2 A330-200 & 6 A330-300
12 A350-800 was canceled, not sure about any A32x cancalltions?
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Post by Jkkw on Apr 4, 2014 11:42:44 GMT 1
Firmed orders in March 12 A380-800 was canceled, not sure about any A32x cancalltions? Thank goodness it's a typo, I would hate to see 12 A380s being cancelled! No A32xs were cancelled in March however Philippine Airlines appeared to have canceled 5 A333s. |
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philidor
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Post by philidor on Apr 4, 2014 14:06:29 GMT 1
The A330s orders from four Chinese airlines follow the agreement signed during President Xi's recent visit to France. There is a small surprise : the total is 28, when 27 had been previously announced.
The A350-800 were cancelled by a lessor, Aircraft Purchase Fleet. The decision had been widely expected.
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