XWB
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Post by XWB on Mar 31, 2014 14:31:23 GMT 1
Well, there is/was a market for 1,000 757 aircraft. Agreed, not as many as an 737/A320/787/A350 will do, but it could be part of a new 737/A320 family. At least Boeing is studying this option.
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Post by Jkkw on Mar 31, 2014 15:05:49 GMT 1
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Post by philidor on Mar 31, 2014 15:28:41 GMT 1
I don't think Airbus has any reason to launch a new narrowbody program before Boeing does, since Airbus has an advantage (and a 60% market share) in the NEO vs MAX situation. So, expect Airbus' next move to be a reaction to Boeing's.
Some day, Boeing will launch a new narrowbody family, to try to recover leadership (and market share) in that segment. Boeing might start with a "757 successor" because the 737-9 MAX is widely held inferior to the A321, so the top end of the new family is the more urgent need.
When something new comes from Boeing, Airbus will have to reply. This is very far away since both airframers have saturated the market wih the NEO and the MAX.
I don't know whether open rotor will be used on that future generation of aircraft. We don't even know future noise requirements.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Mar 31, 2014 17:46:13 GMT 1
Well, there is/was a market for 1,000 757 aircraft. Agreed, not as many as an 737/A320/787/A350 will do, but it could be part of a new 737/A320 family. At least Boeing is studying this option. Of course true, but 757 came in a different era. East-West coast was flown by 707 + DC8, there were the thirsty 727 not being able to make this route, DC10+L1011 were new etc. The world has changed since than. Frankly what would be the definition ? Floor i.e. "real-estate" similar or larger to 757-200, 4000NM range, fast turnaround in ports, low consumption. The real difference to 321neo would be less than 10% of floor space, few hundred NM in range and  The era of 757 is simply over - there is no wide need for such a plane. It is visible both in "conventional" and "charter" airlines - both are phasing them out fast and there is a selection of replacement. |
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Post by Baroque on Mar 31, 2014 18:37:39 GMT 1
Not sure about the business case for a A322. The issue isn't the wing or engine, but the length of the fuselage. This was one issue with the 757-300, where the long fuselage and one aisle significantly increased the turn around time Consider the following cabin lengths... A321 - 34.44m B752 - 36.09m B753 - 43.21m A 4-4.5m stretch should add around 30 seats to the A321 bringing the cabin length to around 39m. Based on the length alone you'd expect the A322 to have a somewhat higher turnaround time than the 752 but lower than the 753. However, keep in mind that the A320 family have a couple of features that neither the 757 nor the 737 can have. Its cabin is half a foot wider, so they have all of this 6 inches to make a wider aisle. And then, you have the LD3 containers on the A321 as well. Both of these should contribute towards keeping the turnaround times lower compared to the 757. |
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XWB
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Post by XWB on Mar 31, 2014 18:44:47 GMT 1
The era of 757 is simply over - there is no wide need for such a plane. But why is Boeing studying an 757 replacement? |
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s543
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Post by s543 on Mar 31, 2014 18:51:10 GMT 1
Because there is still a need for a plane 200-250 people, 739 is not such a success and they need to address this segment. They do not want to leave this segment to AB.  But I do believe it is going to be considerably different - I would not be surprised if it is "narrow" widebody". But of course who knows. |
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Post by airboche on Aug 4, 2014 10:23:31 GMT 1
Boeing is NOT studying a new 757. This is pure media speculation. I'd be interested to see just one official statement about those claimed plans. Plus from a practical perspective Boeing has neither the tooling nor the final assembly space (Renton) for a 757 anymore. That program got terminated because it didn't sell too many aircraft anymore. Both the 757-200ERX and the 757-300 flopped. The upcoming 737 MAX 9 will have to cover this segment for Boeing until the next single aisle might arrive one day.
And some A321 stretch to maybe become some "A322" is VERY unlikely as well. The family-wing is not good for that much more weight.
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s543
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Post by s543 on Aug 4, 2014 12:54:06 GMT 1
Up to that to load such a long plane would take considerably longer.....
That is one of the reasons 757-300 "flopped"
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Post by airboche on Aug 4, 2014 14:51:50 GMT 1
Lufthansa even tested Condor's 757-300 on short turnaround domestic runs back then and ordered A321 big time afterwards.
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