philidor
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Post by philidor on Oct 16, 2015 13:13:28 GMT 1
Adding another engine would be bad for fleet commonality between the existing A350s. I suppose AAB has in mind a new member of the XWB engine family, having a high degree of commonality with existing less powerful members. |
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Post by bmw801 on Nov 9, 2015 9:07:35 GMT 1
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Post by Baroque on Nov 10, 2015 0:12:52 GMT 1
Now this gets quite an interesting twist. Leahy talks about the hypothetical stretch "...sitting right on top of [777X] with similar range and payload and substantially lower seat-mile costs". That they might go head on against the 777X instead of a simple stretch trading range, is surely going to be of some concern in the Boeing camp. The touted next generation engines in combination with the lighter airframe weight is something the 777X might find difficult to beat on efficiency. www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/09/dubai-airshow-idUSL8N13424X20151109 |
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Post by philidor on Nov 10, 2015 1:28:38 GMT 1
Anything that spurs customers' interest while keeping Boeing guessing is good for Airbus.
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Post by stealthmanbob on Nov 10, 2015 1:39:26 GMT 1
Anything that spurs customers' interest while keeping Boeing guessing is good for Airbus. I disagree, Airbus should concentrate on what they do well. Sell your own planes, don't compete in every market sector, let Boeing go it alone in the 400+ sector ? Not that many orders for the B777-X yet ! |
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Post by fanairbus on Nov 10, 2015 11:50:23 GMT 1
Part of the Reuters article above quotes a Boeing spokesman thus:
'"How can their 'clean-sheet' airplane compete with the most successful wide body ever," said Boeing sales chief John Wojick.
"Our airplanes fly higher, faster and further and do it more efficiently ..
Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/09/dubai-airshow-idUSL8N13424X20151109#K6pMgk2ksfKKc3Ou.99'
What perhaps is being referred to here please and is 'higher, faster and further' true?
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Post by henge on Nov 11, 2015 3:12:35 GMT 1
That is some kind of aviation folklore. In every press conference, press release, presentation, etc. of marketing people from either company (Airbus or Boeing), they present some statistics that "clearly" illustrate the superiority of the own aircraft and the shortcomings of the respective competitor's. That goes both ways.
The point is that no pair of aircraft from Airbus and Boeing is 100% comparable, and the marketing division's job is to juggle around various factors in calculations that are supposed to make a comparison possible, so long until the own aircraft seems superior. A game that John Leahy from Airbus also plays quite well.
Just remember the old wisdom: Never trust statistics that you haven't forged yourself!
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Post by Jkkw on Jan 12, 2016 23:33:46 GMT 1
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Post by stealthmanbob on Jan 12, 2016 23:56:15 GMT 1
That's guite obvious I think, a A350 stretch is far more complicated than neoing the A380, the wings for the A380 are already designed / over engineered for a stretched version. So they only need to spend money on aero changes and weight saving and then it's down to RR for the engines ! |
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Post by s543 on Jan 13, 2016 0:45:43 GMT 1
That's guite obvious I think, a A350 stretch is far more complicated than neoing the A380, the wings for the A380 are already designed / over engineered for a stretched version. So they only need to spend money on aero changes and weight saving and then it's down to RR for the engines !- - it is not that simple - A380 is already quite old - there is going to be completely new electronics + a lot of improvements - other way round it would loose the benefits of neo-ing - it is always not only the engines. - the problems of very loooooong planes are well known - it takes long time to board and empty - we know it from experience. Those planes will always go to the airport with the "tunnels" i.e. only one entry would be ready. We well know that to load - unload A380 is faster than 777..... due to double or triple tunnels, there are problems with starts and touchdown...... - I do believe that the engineering problems are manageable - they have the experience with A345 + A346 + they do not want to make the mistakes made there. They want to create the bandwagon like the A321 is i.e. it is not that simple. They mus hold the weight down, probably bigger wings would be needed - so I do believe that this stretch is very complicated and I do believe we will see it only if they are sure 350+ sales can be done - seen and is it realistic ? There is still not that many 1000 sales..... The experience with not too spectacular sales of those long A340 is here. |
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