mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Nov 5, 2016 16:20:23 GMT 1
Where are the engines than, 4 to 5 engines a week should amount to 17 to 21 engines a month, does that include deliveries to Boeing and Comac?. The CEO agreed to having delivered only 40 engines up to that date. Feel good messages covering problems? |
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Nov 5, 2016 16:36:01 GMT 1
Where did I say October is Q3? That still makes it about 7 engines a month in Q3, july, August , October. And it means still only 12+ engines in the whole of September and 25 days of October. I believe because you mentioned the engines of the test frames which were delivered before 3Q I do not believe that 40 engines delivered does not include engines for the test frames. And of course I made a mistake, 12 engines in October until the 25th, so there is a ramp up happening. What is the delay between 4 to 5 produced engines at CFM and them arriving at Airbus? Airbus must have expected those engines earlier. What does it take from the date engines arrive until the frame is delivered. Raw engine arrived, podded, installed, engine runs, first flight, eventually moved to XFW or to painting, outfitting somewhere in between, more test flights, CAF. It is not engine arriving and frame delivered. |
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Post by s543 on Nov 5, 2016 17:59:30 GMT 1
Right - close to 3 month needed - 2 in optimum situation.
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Post by mfranjic on Nov 5, 2016 18:39:59 GMT 1
btw, thank you Mario for the deliveries list, it look really great! Thank You, cck! I am very glad You find this list so interesting and ... welcome! *** Updated delivery list [ Reply # 8 / Page 1 or click on  ] of the  A320N aircraft with the: · Airbus A320-251N, MSN 7309 – AK #3, reg. 9M-AGB, delivered on 03. Nov 2016 On the  (click on the image below)
 The latest so far delivered Airbus A320neo aircraft is that AirAsia´s 3rd Airbus A320-251N, MSN 7309, reg. 9M-AGB (test reg. D-AXAG), with the cabin configuration Y186 and powered by two  LEAP-1A26 twin-shaft turbofans (fan diameter: 1.981,2 mm / 78,0 in; eng. architecture: F+3LPC-10HPC ^ 2HPT-7LPT), each 120,64 kN / 12.302 kgf / 27.120 lbf. It first flew on 25. Oct 2016. Flying on the route XFW- DWC- KUL (FLT AK9951), it was delivered to the customer on 03. Nov 2016. Airbus A320-251N, MSN 7309, reg. 9M-AGB is the 33rd delivered A320neo aircraft. AirAsia´s Airbus A320-251N, reg. 9M-AGB - delivery flight Part 1: XFW-DWC (click on the image) AirAsia´s Airbus A320-251N, reg. 9M-AGB - delivery flight Part 2: DWC-KUL (click on the image) Nice regards Mario |
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cck
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Post by cck on Nov 6, 2016 7:22:38 GMT 1
Hi Mario, that should be 3rd for AirAsia.
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Post by cck on Nov 6, 2016 8:18:18 GMT 1
I believe because you mentioned the engines of the test frames which were delivered before 3Q I do not believe that 40 engines delivered does not include engines for the test frames. And of course I made a mistake, 12 engines in October until the 25th, so there is a ramp up happening. What is the delay between 4 to 5 produced engines at CFM and them arriving at Airbus? Airbus must have expected those engines earlier. What does it take from the date engines arrive until the frame is delivered. Raw engine arrived, podded, installed, engine runs, first flight, eventually moved to XFW or to painting, outfitting somewhere in between, more test flights, CAF. It is not engine arriving and frame delivered. Agree that from engine deliveries to aircraft deliveries need a long time. But couldn't agree that the delay definitely on CFM side, it may be AB engine team busy dealing with PW's backlog. I agree with you that it's hard for AB to hit their 2016 target of around 15%, but would think that AB would be able to hit their target for LEAP engine model. (ATDB's data show 78 planned deliveries). Would like to share some info I obtained from ATDB's database today for this year delivery: Planned A320neo deliveries : 78 Planned A320-PW deliveries : 51 of 78 (65.4%) Planned A320-CFM deliveries : 27 of 78 (34.6%) Spotted A320-CFM Airframes built : 21 Actual A320-CFM delivered to date : 12 Spotted A320-CFM with engine installed : 4 Spotted A320-CFM without engine : 5 From above, AB is still short of 6 A320-CFM airframes and they should be able to make it in time. Engine wise, with 40 engines delivered, another 14 needed, it shouldn't be a issue if they can deliver before 15 Nov. (A quick random checks in A320archive.com data, from engine installed to actual aircraft deliveries take about 2~4 weeks) Wish to clarify some earlier info i didn't really get it correctly/clear : 1. 40 engines are referring to LEAP-1A, didn't include 1B & 1C. (refer to Safran CEO's conference call transcript) 2. 40 engines delivered is number up to week of 21 Oct 2016. I am sorry if I offense you in earlier post, never mean for that. www.dropbox.com/s/m1ianp9s746jl31/Summary%20of%202016%20Planned%20A320-251N%20Deliveries.JPG?dl=0 |
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Nov 6, 2016 16:07:02 GMT 1
Dear cck, no offence taken, we are discussing, you have your opinions I have my opinions.
The original plan was about 100 A320neo, the revised plan, after the troubles with the GTF, was around 75, I assume corresponding to your 78 frames.
I did understand that there were 40 LEAP-1A delivered, my comment was in regard to the current 4 to 5 engine weekly production rate, only 1A or all LEAP combined?
Airbus is still building frames, so frames not standing around can be in production or just not having been spotted. But Airbus has drawn down neo frame production and accelerated ceo production this year. The Airbus team could be busy working on GTF engines if they would be arriving in droves and not trickling in.
I take frames standing around without engines, prepared for storage, as a sign that engines that were expected are missing. Simple as that.
I believe that not only P&W is slow in ramping up, but also CFM.
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Post by XWB on Nov 7, 2016 12:51:04 GMT 1
Astonishing I find the number of 670 frames to be delivered in 2016, if we count 50 for the A350, 70 for the A330, 25 for the A380, that leaves 535 for the A320 series. We are at about 410 today, that leaves 125 frames until end of December. Those A320 series frames should be delivered in droves the next days and weeks. The A320 production rate is 46 units per month now, which should equal about 530 deliveries this year. Airbus also accelerated some A320ceo's to make up for the NEO delays. |
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mjoelnir
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Post by mjoelnir on Nov 7, 2016 17:55:56 GMT 1
Astonishing I find the number of 670 frames to be delivered in 2016, if we count 50 for the A350, 70 for the A330, 25 for the A380, that leaves 535 for the A320 series. We are at about 410 today, that leaves 125 frames until end of December. Those A320 series frames should be delivered in droves the next days and weeks. The A320 production rate is 46 units per month now, which should equal about 530 deliveries this year. Airbus also accelerated some A320ceo's to make up for the NEO delays. The increased production rate regarding frames has been visible, the snag is neo frames without engines. |
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Post by FabienA380 on Nov 8, 2016 18:23:29 GMT 1
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