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Post by kronus on Dec 12, 2019 6:04:37 GMT 1
Newest AF a350-900 delivery schedule (backlog) after order 10 additional frames (ATDB):
2020 6x
2021 6x
2022 5x
2023 4x
2024 6x
2025 8x
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Post by fanairbus on Dec 12, 2019 9:25:30 GMT 1
I still find it a bit odd that Air France are retiring their A380s but have not ordered 10 - 12 A350-1000s 🤔 Maybe they weren't very full! 
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Post by someone on Dec 12, 2019 10:55:45 GMT 1
I still find it a bit odd that Air France are retiring their A380s but have not ordered 10 - 12 A350-1000s 🤔 Maybe they weren't very full! Being full or not isn't in this case relevant or important. What matters in the end is the differense between the revenue and the cost. And if this is larger (or positive instead of negative) on the A350-900 vs A380 (or any other types), it is better to use an A350-900. Despite carrying less passengers |
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Post by stealthmanbob on Dec 12, 2019 11:58:50 GMT 1
Maybe they weren't very full! Being full or not isn't in this case relevant or important. What matters in the end is the differense between the revenue and the cost. And if this is larger (or positive instead of negative) on the A350-900 vs A380 (or any other types), it is better to use an A350-900. Despite carrying less passengers Buts it's still a big drop in capacity per service 516 v 324 = 192 less ! |
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Post by s543 on Dec 12, 2019 13:18:14 GMT 1
They fly 2x to JFK with A380 - they might fly 3x with 359 doing the same amount of people and giving more flexibility in various times.... and the cost of 3x A359 might be smaller than 2xA380 - so no contest.
Or open a route to close smaller city and provide better service with one less plane change.....
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Post by stealthmanbob on Dec 12, 2019 13:51:14 GMT 1
They fly 2x to JFK with A380 - they might fly 3x with 359 doing the same amount of people and giving more flexibility in various times.... and the cost of 3x A359 might be smaller than 2xA380 - so no contest. Or open a route to close smaller city and provide better service with one less plane change..... Places like JFK don't have spare slots available to dish out even if AF wanted to up the frequency. |
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Post by ff on Dec 12, 2019 20:21:00 GMT 1
Due to the strong tail wind that A380 generates, the aircraft behind have to keep extra distance/time from A380.
So in theory, if you remove 2 A380 slots, you might be able to fit 3 A350 slots indeed - whether they would return the extra slot to AF is a separate matter.
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Post by someone on Dec 12, 2019 20:31:33 GMT 1
Due to the strong tail wind that A380 generates, the aircraft behind have to keep extra distance/time from A380. So in theory, if you remove 2 A380 slots, you might be able to fit 3 A350 slots indeed - whether they would return the extra slot to AF is a separate matter. However, JFK and many other airports, it is the gate and/or terminal space that is the issue and decides the slots |
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Post by s543 on Dec 13, 2019 11:36:48 GMT 1
I of course understand the problem with slots - but they could probably go fairly easily to some city around and make people happy - like Baltimore, Phila, Boston etc..... - aloso slots but not such a problem.....
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Post by philidor on Dec 17, 2019 10:26:21 GMT 1
they could probably go fairly easily to some city around and make people happy - like Baltimore, Phila, Boston etc..... - aloso slots but not such a problem..... That works for spade and bucket destinations, not for business travel ! |
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